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Jack Lawman 06-11-2008 11:29 AM

Excellent 1917 Artillery (except)....
 
With a thank you to Ron Wood for making this aquisition possible, here are pics of an excellent 1917 Artillery... but for the ground stock lug.

If it had a stock lug, it wouldn't be mine.

The sideplate seems very discolored compared to the rest of the gun.

It has what appears to be a WWII Mag, but the mag body is not marked at all... it may be a replacement body with original base.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/artylft_rt.jpg

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...arks_copy1.jpg

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/artymagcannon.jpg

Thanks Ron,
Jack

alanint 06-11-2008 11:52 AM

Is there a prohibition on stock lugged pistols in New York?

Jack Lawman 06-11-2008 12:13 PM

Not illegal
 
No prohibition.

Will never know for sure, but I have to assume it was removed at some point because the lug was perceived as illegal some time after the 1934 act (although it was always legal). When I got it, it was caked in seriously dried up cosmoline.

Jack

Ron Wood 06-11-2008 03:31 PM

I was happy to be involved with Jack's acquisition of this Arty. Through his generosity it also made it possible for me to obtain an accessory that I never thought I would own. I am out of town right now but when I get back home next week I will post this very special item.
The gun is quite nice. It is unfortunate that the stock lug has been ground but the condition of the rest of the piece makes restoration a reasonable consideration.
My thanks right back to you Jack.

alanint 06-11-2008 05:19 PM

I know that ATF decreed that ALL stocked pistols be registered as a short barrel rifle using a strict interpretation of the NFA 1934 provisions at the time of the big 1968 national registry.
At that time, people with stocks and guns were required to grind off the stock lug on the pistol, the stock or on some occasions, both. This is why stocks turn up with growned attaching iron and why pistols have the lug growned as well.
This was subsequently reversed for certain historical or antique firearms.
I asked about a NY law because of your statement that if the lug was not missing, it would not be yours. I assumed it was because of your place of residence

Ron Wood 06-11-2008 05:37 PM

Doug,
Your account of the 1968 registry does reflect the thinking of some people at the time which resulted in the unfortunate mutilation of these weapons. Actually there never was a requirement to grind anything, it just was prohibited to attach a shoulder stock to a handgun. If you didn't have a stock the pistol was perfectly legal, and vice versa...if you didn't have a pistol the stock was legal. Some folks in possession of both just removed the stock iron (and fortunately some of these irons were stashed away and reattached when the rules changed).
I think that Jack meant that if it still had the stock lug, it would have been too expensive to purchase and/or someone would have already snapped it up.

Jack Lawman 06-11-2008 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ron Wood
I think that Jack meant that if it still had the stock lug, it would have been too expensive to purchase and/or someone would have already snapped it up.
That's what I meant.

Jack

alanint 06-11-2008 11:57 PM

Jack, You are in my boat!
Anybody have an inexpensive growned Artillery they can let me have?
8^)

John Sabato 06-12-2008 11:00 AM

Since the grip frame has been mmutilated by the grinding of the stock lug, I think this gun would be a candidate for a stock lug transplant if you can find a damaged donor frame... it might be a little expensive, but to restore functionality would be worth it in my opinion.


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