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Pete Ebbink 05-30-2007 12:36 PM

Repro & Illegal...???
 
Leather is a repro with the extra vertical belt loop on the back...a stock for a 4" luger is probably a big No-No with BATF...

http://cgi.ebay.com/German-Luger-Hol...QQcmdZViewItem

Navy 05-30-2007 05:20 PM

That appears to be one of those Paki made-up kluges. Run away.

Tom A

ratdog 05-30-2007 05:28 PM

Duffys Guns is the seller, should they not be aware if something is wrong or illegal afoot here?!?!?!?!?!

Ron Wood 05-30-2007 05:42 PM

It isn't illegal to sell it, just illegal to attach it to a 4" barrel Luger.

John Sabato 05-30-2007 06:15 PM

There are some in ATF that would view possession of this rig AND a 4 inch Luger with a stock lug as "constructive intent"... I would be Afraid, VERY Afraid to own this rig... And a Luger.

lugerholsterrepair 05-30-2007 08:50 PM

Who would be foolish enough to own this Paki goat bag and house siding anyway? A true collector would do as Brother Tom has suggested..Then you wouldn't have to worry about John's suggestion. Jerry Burney

EagleArmsHBAR 05-31-2007 09:02 PM

why is it illegal??

Stu 05-31-2007 09:10 PM

It's illegal as the only common lugers you can attach a stock to without it becoming a 'short barrelled rifle' are the artillery or navy models. You can only use a genuine or reproduction of the artillery or navy stock under this provision.

Ron Smith 06-01-2007 09:03 AM

It's only illegal, if you do attach it however.

Ron Wood 06-01-2007 10:28 AM

Ron,
"Attaching" is a fine point and probably wouldn't hold up with the BATF. As John pointed out having a stock and a 4" Luger together, whether attached or not, constitutes the components of a short barreled rifle and therefore constructive intent. If, however, you also have the proper Luger for that stock in the same collection, you are home free.

Ron Smith 06-01-2007 10:40 AM

Ron,

My interpretation and understanding of "Constructive Intent" pertains to Class III weapons, for example having an AR-15, M-1A, or other civilianized military style firearm, and being in poccession of full auto sear and selector which can be interchanged. Or a suppressor with a weapon that has appropriate attachment features such as threaded muzzle.

Ron

Ron Wood 06-01-2007 12:50 PM

Same principle applies...if you have the components for an illegal weapon then it follows you have constructive intent. I wouldn't bet my collection and a membership in Club Fed that it doesn't apply to other than Class III.

Pete Ebbink 06-03-2007 01:16 AM

Here is another "Paki" holster with its extra, vertical belt loop claimed to be a rare Persian holster...

Buyer beware, big time...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


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