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Ray, I would guess one of the Pacific Arms type of lugers that came over in the 1930's, etc.
Very cool, I like it ;) Ed |
Ray,
This is a very interesting Luger. The serial number places the original gun as made in 1920. The fact that the barrel is stamped with the c/N proof mark suggests very strongly that this combination was assembled in Germany. That the barrel is not numbered suggests that this is a rebarrel, most likely intended for export to the US as shown by the GERMANY stamped on the frame. The GERMANY on the barrel suggests that it was originally intended to be sent to the US on its own, but assembled into this gun instead. This gun most likely did not start out as a regular artillery, although it is interesting that the chamber is cut for the artillery sight--definitely a modification by someone who knew what they were doing. Also, there is no sight on the rear toggle. Is this gun in .30 or 9mm? One wonders if this might have been a special oder by a US customer? --Dwight |
Dwight,
When you say, "This gun most likely did not start out as a regular artillery", are you indicating that this started as a 10" artillery or a "standard" type luger? |
not Dwight, but it is hard to say. You coudl special order barrels put onto "1923" commericials or onto WW1 era lugers. It appeared to be very common. My guess is that most folks wanted the "standard" 4 inch or 8 inch luger, as that is what many of the troops brought back from WW2.
Ed |
wasn't the 1920 era Lugers available in a variety of barrel sizes ? seem to me there was posted here a while back a copy of a book/news paper ad stating so.....very interesting gun
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Duane,
I'm suggesting that this gun probably started out as a standard 3 3/4" barrel Luger. Ed, and Howard, My understanding--and I will be glad for information which educates me otherwise--is that the US dealer ads generally represent modifications done by the dealers themselves in the US, from parts which were manufactured and exported from Germany--hence the GERMANY stamps on otherwise unmarked and unnumbered long barrels mounted into standard Lugers here. Ray's gun is unusual by the presence of the c/N German commercial proof on the barrel, indicating that the gun was completed and proofed in Germany. --Dwight |
crown N proof
Dwight, there was a c/N proofed artillery on Simpson's list
that was sold recently that did not have a serial number on it. I always just thought that the c/N proof meant that the gun had been tested. There were so many strange things that happened to guns in the 20s. Thanks for your comments. |
Ray,
Still the question--what is the caliber? --Dwight |
Ray,
nice pictures. I don't know didily squat about the post WW1 artilleries, but the rear sight looks very much like the 1918 LP-08 sight. The front sight is a different matter. It differs from the front sight on my 1918. The Locking Bolt looks a bit rough and may (?) have been touched up. But, who am I? I am in the Ron Woods club of admirers on Lugers made after 1918. I quess that all I wanted to do is compliment you on your pictures of this interesting Luger. Nice display! Big Norm |
Dwight, the caliber of the artillery is 9mm. Were .30 commerical
artillerys more common in the 20s? |
For example it is possible to find some Stoeger Arty in .30 luger caliber with the tangent sight ranging from 1 up to 10.
I like this gun. Well done. Cheers, Mauro |
Ray,
Commercial artilleries are not common. In the earlier part of the century .30 was very popular and plentiful. The early Luger models were chambered for it--it was an "in-house" round--and these were the very prevalent "big gun" auto-loaders of the era. In the years between the two World Wars German arms manufacturers were prohibited from manufacturing handguns in "military" calibers (i.e. 9mm), so almost all of the Lugers of those years were made in cal. .30 Luger. Many of the commercial artillery and long-barrel Lugers proudced for export in the '20s are found in .30. I don't know the proportions, but I'd field a WAG that your 9mm gun is probably less common. --Dwight |
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