Long and Short Frame ?
 

1900 Lugers where long frame/receiver. The 1902 was a short frame/receiver. 1906s can have long frame/receiver and short frame/receiver. Was there any rime or reason to this? Why did they develope 2 different types? Does not seem that any machining was cut out. Only saving seems to be in a little steel. Thanks for your help.

I doon't think this will answer your questions, but might be interesting to you;

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=14311

Thanks
 

Thanks Edward it is a great help to the beginner trying to understand the differences. I am still interested in the why of these changes. It would seem that the later frames have more milling steps, so cost doesn't seem to be the answer. They all look good to me so looks don't seem to be the answer either.

I am no expert when it comes to gun smithing, but as I hear Mike Krause tell it to me, the short frame was easier to thread in the barrel and have it line up properly with the correct configuration. With the long frame, more laborious steps were required. It apparently had nothing to do with the change of shape of the shell casing from 7.65 to 9mm. It also had nothing to do with making the pistol lighter. There had to be a practical reason for this as the long frame never returned (except for certain contract pieces) after 1914.

Since most all long frame/receiver lugers were in 7.65mm and all 9mms, from the very start in 1902, were short receiver, I would bet that the length of the cartridge case was the initial determining factor. TH

Tom, I thought, like you, that the cartridge case size was the determining factor, but Mike Krause emphatically says "no"! It was for the reasons stated above.

Gentlemen... correct me if I am wrong (it happens frequently according to my wife) but aren't their early Navy long frame variants in 9MM?

John...YES!

Reminder : Since Ron Wood's original and informative posting is getting more than 1.5 years old, it's photos may disappear from the posting...as typically happens with photos in old threads.

If Members have not done so already, you might want to cut & paste the discussion and its photos into MS Word, etc...and save to your hard disk for future use. I have it saved as a pdf-file as well...

I have been told by a reliable source that the frame tutorial will appear in Jan Still's new book.

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Does that reliable source have the initials JCS? :D

(...not me of course, since my initials are JMS...)

Mike, did you have a stroke, too much to drink or you were typing without looking? I have to watch my fingers to type :rolleyes:

:cheers: