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Well guys, the questions are coming and I need some help. I am talking to a guy with a Weimar Police Luger and I can't find much about it. He says that it is the same as in "World of Lugers, Costanzo, pg. 220". This pistol is supposed to be a Security Service pistol. I thought the S.D.I. stamp was for the Schutzpolizie, Dusseldorf.

I am supposed to call back tomorrow, and help from someone to look up this page in World of Lugers and provide some detail? Darn, one Luger book I don't have!

Edit - I did a little searching and found a posting by my friend Tom A. from 08/04 that the S.D. was for "Schupo Dusseldorf". Tom stated that this was a Security force during the Weimar Era, but they were the standard Municipal Polce. Is this correct?

What this Luger sounds like to me is a standard reworked WWI Luger for the Police in Dusseldorf with no "special" provinance.

Marvin, I agree with you. Years ago there was a big disagreement in Automag over a similar Police PO8 grip strapped marked S.D.IV.xxx that Ralph S. had advertised as SS. TH

You are correct in that last sentence, S.D. is a standard Dufsseldorf police despite attempts by some dealers to made it a special police force or more.

Costanzo, pg 220 indicates that the S.D.1 thru S.D.7 (all roman numerals) represents the Sicherheitsdienst, the security service having control over all police forces. This mark is usually found on reworked WW1 lugers and a few on 1938 and 1939 models. This is what he is referring to.

Thanks guys for the help. I knew I did not know enough about this to go on my own. I really like the pistol and the Weimar era is a favorite of mine, so I will talk to the person about buying the pistol. I will try to talk to him tomorrow and see what kind of a deal I can make. If I get it, I will let you know, if not, I will also let you know.

Your help is appreciated. As with a lot of Lugers, there are things we just can't prove. It would be nice to know the truth, but we are still working on the "KU" Lugers too, LOL. I will keep you posted!

I think Costanzo is wrong here, newer info states it is just a police marking....

Ed

The police unit mark: S.D. with Roman numeral, then inventory numbers is for the Dusseldorf Police, not Gestapo, or the SD.

I have a Model 1914 Mauser, a police Luger [1920] and a uniform police officer's Seitengewehr [bayonet], all unit marked S.D. X.xx.

Dusselorf was and is a very large metro area, with a large police force. This marking has, as mentioned above, been bastardized by some "big" dealers to make it into something that it was not, in order to inflate the price.

At a resent gun show, I overheard the dealer at his table attempting to convince a young man who was interesting in buying one of his pistols, that this particular Luger was issued to the "famous" SD. The dealer stated that due to that grip marking, he had to get a "lot" of money for it.
Joe

Marvin,

Costanzo is wrong. It is quite clear that the S.D.I.# marking you describe indicates the Schutzpolizei D�¼sseldorf according to both the 1922 and the 1932 Prussian Police marking regulations. The "I" is the Roman numeral designation for the 1st D�¼sseldorf precinct or area. The Schutzpolizei are the regular uniformed police and have nothing to do with the Sicherheitsdienst. Ascribing this marking to the Sicherheitsdienst is simply incorrect or an attempt to boost the price.

Again guys, I appreciate the answers very much! The person told me it was the "secret police" stamp, but even being away from Lugers for several years, I felt this was wrong. Since I don't have Costanzo's book, I could not verify what he was talking about. The price for the pistol is $900 and is is supposed to be in 95% condition. If he still has it, I will probably buy it since I don't have any Dusseldorf Police pistols.

The story never changes about Lugers, anyone will try to boost the price to make a sale. IT sure is good to be back with you guys, and to LUGERS!!!!

Update: OK, I am now "back in the fold". I have the Luger on hold until I get my license faxed to him this evening. The other good part is the magazine matches, AND there is a matching holster. Unfortunantly, the spare mag is not with it, or a loading tool, but this is OK. I think I made a decent deal for my first buy on a Luger in about 2+ years.

I still like the WWII Mausers, but I do have a number of these and my next favorites are the Weimar Police Lugers. WOW, what a history these have! Served in WWI, Weimar Era, and into the the Third Reich Era! If only they could talk, LOL.

Gotta save up and find me a nice Kreighoff one of these days. I do have one Keighoff, that John D. and I discussed several years ago. It is one of the "parts" Kreighoffs that was assembled from whatever parts were in the factory when the US got to the plant. It is the ugliest Luger you have ever seen, and that's the truth. I need to dig this one out and post some photos of the "beauty". Maybe this weekend I can make some photos of my Lugers for you guys since I have a digital camera now.

A new updateon the Weimar Luger.......deal fell thru! He dicided that the price was too low and said he would keep it. What a bummer; I liked the pistol, but there are many others out there.

I did find a nice 96%, 1941 Black Widow (I hate to use that name) from a dealer I used to buy pistols from. I have one other 1942 Black Widow and this shold make a nice addition to the WWII section of Lugers. This one is all matching and correct with an excellent bore. I should receive it end of the week or Monday at the latest. I will keep you informaed when it arrives

Marvin,

I'm sorry to hear the deal fell through. The seller is either deluded or is trying to delude others.

I collect data and research Weimar police unit marks and would appreciate knowing additional information about this pistol if you know it: full unit mark including all periods & numbers; chamber date, if any; toggle logo; serial number & letter suffix; presence or evidence of sear or mag safeties. Thanks very much for any data you can provide.

Hi Marvin,

Weimar Reichswehr "unit mark nut" here.

Did he say how much that he would take for it? I'm not interested in it, just wondering what he decided the value should be?

A photo of a 1914 Mauser grip strap with two X'd out D�¼sseldorf Schupo marks.



http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...unit_marks.jpg


Ron

he agreed on $900, then went on the net and saw prices at Simpson's ;)


Ed

Have you seen the prices of thier Makarov's.....am I missing something here??....and the 1908 at $4,600 has got me re-thinking my collections value

only if they sell...


I am sure my prices on the two I put up look high, but they are some of my better, nicer pieces... :)

Ed

Thanks Guys, i am a Weimar Luger Nut too....for some reason, they just have an appeal that is great. I guess it may the long history they have. I will try to contact the guy and see if he will provide the information; no promises, but I will try. I don't know how he decided he wanted more $$$$$, but I was not going to be "hijacked"!

I have a nice 96% 1941 with Black Phenolic grips (I hate Black Widow name) coming and should arrive Saturday if the mail runs good. I HAD to get something, since I have not bought a Luger in 2.5 years!!!!!