Silenced Luger photo
 

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rk

Sights ?
 

Okay, I give up.
How DO you aim the durn thing???
:confused:

You get close enough that you don't have to aim. You -do-, however, have to shoot it with your left hand...

--Dwight

Good observation Dwight. I'd venture that most of us just focused on the silencer and then moved on.

I think the photo is mirrored.

Why would you bother to make the safety and the magazine release (etc) be on the opposite side?

No reason as a shooter or a silencer to do so?


Ed

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/silencer.jpg

It is a reversed photo. The solid side of grip safety and mag release button are also on the right side.

I wonder if these were equiped with a bolt lock, as on more modern models of silenced pistols?

In Vietnam I had the chance to examine a suppressed SEAL Team issued Ruger MK 1. Used for dispatching sentries and perimeter guards. It had a selective intregal bolt lock to prevent cyclic bolt clatter.

RS

Ron and others,

At what range are these employed? I'd guess real close due to the inability to use the sights, but I've always wondered about just how close one would have to get.

Rod,

On the average, I would guess about 10'. I think they were intended for "in the same room - snuff 'em if ya gottem" use. Where other people would be within ear shot. (no pun intended) Early baffled suppressors had an effect on accuracy. So they were used a relatively close range.

RS

Suppressors also have to be used with sub-sonic ammo. This reduces the lethal range considerably. Plus, the added weight of the suppressor and reduced specific impulse of the sub-sonic round probably would not cycle the action of a Luger, so a bolt lock might not be necessary.

"snuff 'em if ya gottem" - clever!

Developmental tests of the silenced Luger required subsonic ammunition for true silencing. I suspect that (believe I have read??) these rounds are not powerful enough to operate the action.

--Dwight

Hey Ron, I'm just a clever kinda guy! :D

I wasn't aware that subsonic ammo had been in use that long.

However, besides the MK I that I examined. I have seen photos of a Beretta Brigadier and a Walther P.4 or P.38 Kurtz with slide locks to prevent any movement. If I can find the book, I will post photos and quote the text.

It is very possible that they would not be required on a Luger considering the stiff action.

Ron

I have fired one of these an original piece that was brought back. With the original green tiped ammo. ( sure wish I had a couple of rounds very rare) fired entire magazine . It did
not cycle the toggle. Each round had to be loaded by recycling the action. I could not say how auccurate it was. As this was in a basement shooting into an old tree stump from no more than 20 feet. There was still a quite audibe noise.

Hey, Ron S, I thought that was a tremendously clever remark too! :D

Pipeman's statement about a "quite audible noise" is why I asked the question. I've always wondered if these were effective in helping people avoid detection when firing when others of the enemy were fairly close by. I'm sure the bolt locking devices could help with certain pistols/ammo.

It would be interesting to hear from anyone who has read the actual article in question (Die Schalldaempfer P08) in "Waffen Revue".