30 Luger vs 9mm Luger
 

How does the 7.65mm stack up against the 9mm Luger round? i have heard that the 7.65 is a bad round and that is why the germans switched over the the 9mm's but the 7.65 can't be that bad if it stayed in production alongside the 9mm lugers and ive also seen Ruger 89's and Browning Hi Powers in the 30 luger. Can someone shed some light for me on the 30.luger's stopping power and what not. Also would the round make a decent self defense round or would it just be better to use it as a plinker? Reason i ask is because im just kinda currious and you guys seem to know what your talking about when it comes to this sorta thing:p

you can use a .22 long rifle as a self defensive gun, but obviouslyu not the first choice. It was more stopping power, the US liked the 45, the Germans decided on 9mm instead of 7.65mm.

Always keep in mind, that even if in the right, your pistol will be taken by the police until investigation is over. Far better to use a Mak, or a clone 45 ACP for self defense.

Ed

IMHO the 7.65mmP is a faster, flater shooting round with more penetration than the 9mmP, but lack some stoping power, as it continues thru most objects. One reason that many manufactures still offer that caliber, is that it is an easy change over from 9mm for those countries (Italy, Mexico, etc) than do not allow "civilians" to own 9mm pistols. TH

Indeed, the main reason for the changeover from 7.65 para to 9mm was that many countries testing the luger were not satisfied about the stopping power of the first.

The 7.65 para or .30 luger is basically a shortened version of the 7.63 Borchardt round, which also formed the basis for the 7.63 Mauser round.

So is the 7.65 like a shortened shortened version of the 7.63 mauser round?

The 7.63 Mauser is a direct descendent of the 7.63 Borchardt. Virtually identical but loaded a lot hotter. As a matter of fact. I have seen boxes of 7.63mm ammo that stated right on the box that it was for Mauser AND Borchardt. Not recommended.

The 7.65para is, as Gerben stated, a descendent of the 7.63 Borchardt but shorter and loaded a little hotter.