Presentation Carbine
 

Here are some pictures of the Ormond Smith Carbine that have graciously been furnished by the current owner, John Eckert of Albuquerque, NM. Ormond Smith was a partner of the prominent publishing house of Street & Smith. It was presented in September of 1902 and has a 5-position tangent or "ski-slope" rear sight. On the rear sight, the small depression in front of the sight blade is gold filled. Unlike the smooth pushbutton of the flat board 7" Luger stocks, the presentation carbine stock pushbutton is checkered. The serial number of the gun is 77. Truly a collecting treasure.
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Absolutely impressive!
Thank you for share this beauty.
Mauro

whoa, very nice, afraid to ask Mr. Smith how she shoots! ;)


Very nice, thanks for sharing Mr. Smiths carbine,


ed

Mr. Smith is long dead, but I doubt that Mr. Eckert is going to shoot it either!

Very beautiful! I really like the initialing on the chamber .

A boar hunt with a Carbine would be a hoot! It was originally intended as a hunting weapon for Kaiser Bill since he had a withered left arm as the result of a birth injury and therefore had difficulty holding a full sized rifle. Probably wouldn't want to use this particular carbine though, since its value is somewhere between $80,000 and $100,000!

Thanks, Ron, for sharing these pictures with us. Would love to see any of the previous 76 1900 carbines!

Tom,

Do you reload? Or do you know someone that you trust to reload properly?

This is my favorite .30 Luger load. If functions flawlessly and is very accurate.

100gr Hornady XTP hollow point

3.9 to 4.1 grains of 700X

I start out with 3.7 grains in an unknown pistol and work my way up watching for pressure signs. 3.9 grains is the best average I have found.

A carbine may work fine with the 4.1 charge. Or even higher.

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( ~A cover my a** disclaimer, for this age of litigation.~ I am not recommending this load to anyone, and will not be held responsible. Use at your own risk. I have used it with excellent results in several vintage .30 Lugers.)

Ron

Tom, I'm sure glad you switched from "bores" to "boars;" otherwise, I might have been in real trouble! :D

Perhaps he was right the first time :)

Tom, I have about 50 factory boxes of OLD .30 Luger ammo. If I can find any hollow points I'll let you know.

hey Rod,

I shoot BOTH; I am a non-discriminating, equal opportunity shootist.

For Aaron, if the ammo is pre-1930, I'd be interested in adding it to my vintage ammo collection, not shooting it. I will either find some modern or teach myself handloading using the esteemed mr Smith's recipe.

Tom A

Technical question regarding the Luger Carbines:

Obviously, the wooden forend doesn't travel with the barrel. Does anyone have a photo of a Carbine with the wood removed, showing how the attachment is made?

Like this?
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YES! Thank you, Ron!

I knew the Luger was ahead of its time.
But a floating barrel in 1902???

Fantastic!

H Ron,

This carbine's chamber engraving looks a lot like the work on a "presentation" piece the folks at PIA had for sale on their web site a while back...

Regarding this carbine case...is it period correct to have dividers or should it be the "french" style...where pieces are outlined and recessed into the velvet lining...?

Also...don't most of the cased presentation pieces have room for spare magazines ?

(Photos taken off of Gun-Broker and not the copyrighted PIA site...)

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