The poor old 9mm!
 

I believe it was on NCIS, which used to be billed as "Navy NCIS" (somewhat redundantly) that it was stated this week that the 9mm was "slow and not accurate past thirty meters."

Dang! All my Lugers are in a cruddy caliber. :rolleyes:

They really should try firing them out of a pistol. The speed and accuracy would improve greatly. :rolleyes:

Yep, Ron, shooting out of a keyboard just isn't the same thing, is it?

And did you notice that the bullet they had under the microscope was lead and not jacketed?? :rolleyes:

When I saw that crap, I said they should do their homework!! Accurate to 30 yards My A$$ :rolleyes:

Having been in the Navy. They probably had some old Bos'n Mate firing them out of a sling shot. And a couple of deck apes with a tape measure checking the trajectory.

Hugh, I didn't remember the lead bullet. I guess I must have dozed off on that one! Good call.

I do remember the description of the need to get close to fire the shot. I'm sure people could shoot from a moving car, but I personally can't even use a cell phone and drive!

Hey guys! I've seen 9 mm pistols that were not accurate past 30 yards! They weren't Lugers, but they were still inaccurate beyond thirty yards!

If the bullet was lead, I've heard a number of stories about High Powers not liking lead bullets.

9mm Not Accurate
 

Bull:

I've shot many 3 in 1 hole groups with the 9mm.

I guess if you try hard enough, you can screw up anything!!

Sieger

I have been shooting handguns at long ranges since I was a boy. It fascinates me to see how far away I can strike a target. And it has always amazed me to hear gun "experts" say, "That gun won't shoot that far!" or " Hands guns aren't accurate at that distance!"

There is a documented unfortunate instance recorded in an old American Rifleman magazine. In a midwestern state a young boy while playing on his swing , was struck in the head by a 9mm FMJ bullet and died.

After an extensive investigation, it was discovered that a man on a neighboring farm had been shooting at cans floating in a canal. One of the bullets had glanced off of the water and struck the boy. The distance was estimated to be well over a mile.

I have shot my artillery luger, off hand with stock attached, at over 200 yards. The group did not exceed 6". So I think the Navy is, after all, being the Navy.

Ron

I've been lucky here to work on and shoot NCIS guns....Sig 9mm and Uzi 9mm....hummmm....the #5 man with NCIS is due at my place this afternoon from DC, I'll ask him what he thinks...

Many people have contended for years that the 9mm is almost in the .357 mag's league. The velocity is pretty good IMO, though I prefer the .357 for several reasons I won't go into. The 9's no slouch though.

As for the accuracy it sort of depends on the platform (gun), but all sorts of cr...uh, crud is written and shown in the media. I've read that .38 snubs couldn't be depended on across an elevator. I'd be willing to demonstrate that a 100 yard wide "elevator" is reasonable with one or two of my snubs!

Mas Ayoob used to give a formula for hitting a man in the chest with a .38 Snub at 100 yards--he said either to hold on the nose or chin, I've forgotten which. He doesn't advocate stuff like that in print anymore as far as I can tell. Guess legal constraints are involved.

Rod, Ayoob's formula is aim at the chin. I also have a S&W 640 2" .357 that I can shred a 1 gal milk jug with at 100yds. It's not the gun, it's the shooter.




With this I can do the same at 300-400 yards. Not quite as well as I used to, now that my eye sight is going T.U.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/41_mag_copy1.jpg


S&W Mod.57 .41 mag. 8-3/8" Barrel


Ron

Re: Re: The poor old 9mm!
 

GOOD SHOW!!!!!!!

Sieger

LP-08 at 200 Yards
 

Ron:

That 200 yard group sounds a little wide to me for a good LP-08.

You must have shot it off hand.


Sieger

9mm not Accurate
 

Frank:

They probably had a group of trained apes shooting the pistols!!

That, or, perhaps, some recent "High School" graduates were involved in the process.

Sieger

Tac, I take it then that the master mason was chastised for his overt demonstration of bravado...:D


Sieger, Didn't want to brag. ;)

Well, the silhouette shooters at the nationals sometimes have to put 14 out of twenty into a half life sized prairie chicken at 200 meters as tie breaker. Minute of angle revolvers have been built.

As for the 9 mm Parabellum cartridge, there are an awful lot of pistols chambered for it, ranging from the best to absolute crap. I would expect accuracy to cover the same range. But it's been demonstrated that a military issue Luger will match an accurized 1911 for accuracy.

I'm inclined to say that just about any cartridge can be accurate with careful loading and an accurate platform to launch it.