a new Swiss luger
 

Only for your information
this swiss luger is comming out from a french veteran son
it's a very small serial number (425) in very good condition (like new)

some pics
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...900detail1.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...900detail2.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...900detail3.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...900detail4.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...900detail5.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...900detaild.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...900detailg.jpg


best regards
jean marie

jean marie,
That is a wonderful discovery! Very early Swiss Lugers are among the most desirable collector's pieces. Does this Luger have the "flat-button" magazine and unrelieved frame, or does it use the standard magazine with the raised follower button?

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa..._mag_copy1.jpg

yes it's an flat button magazine and an unrelieved frame it's really a first delivery military command
I'm very happy for two reasons
first time I was looking to buy an s42 for shooting, I have sell my some time ago to purchase and antique colt 1900 for my collection ,
and I was speaking by internet whith the son of this veteran who want to have some information on some guns his father let him when he die
I give him all information I know and price idea in france it's about 3500$
at least he ask me if for 2000$ i will buy it and conserved it in my collection
I said yes of course
when I receved the parcel it was not one but two luger this swiss model and un erfurt P08 1914 marqued in very good condition for the same price
for the respect of his father I will never sell them
I dn't now why but the Erfurt came whith a swiss raised button magasine
it suit well
best regards

Why o Why can't I have some luck like that. What a wonderful find.

Outstanding!!! You are very fortunate. Unrelieved frames are very scarce as most of them were later modified to accept the standard magazine. You have an outstanding original early Luger, probably worth nearly 5 times the amount you paid for both Lugers! Congratulations.

Outstanding Luger! If there is one thing that people on this forum love it is seeing nice pictures of nice Lugers.

Ron Wood,
thanks for the pictures of an unrelieved frame.I have heard of it but never really knew what it was. I am going to upgrade my computer soon and I can only hope that I will be able to use a digital camera and software as well as you do. Again, thanks.
Big Norm

here some pics of the Erfurt

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/xluger1914g.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/xluger1914d.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...914culasse.jpg

I know I am very lucky one time on 40 years collecting

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...r1900canon.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...00chargeur.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...r1900puit2.jpg

Jean Marie,
thanks for sharing that pictures with us! The early llat button mags are very rare but to own one of these famous Lugers is most desireable!
Very few are remaining unalternated as Ron is already saying!
Thanks to Ron, excellent presentation of the difference!

Hi Jean-Marie,

Thanks for sharing photos of your beautiful Swiss luger # 425 with us all here on the Luger Forum.

You are fortunate to have made just a wise buy !

Regards,

Pete...:typing:

What a wonderful old gun. Thanks for sharing the pic's.

Absolutely fabulous Swiss 1900! Thanks Jean-Marie for sharing the pictures with all of us. I am also interested in the "1914" Erfurt. At one time I owned a similar 1914 Erfurt serialed in the "q" suffix. I later learned that Erfurt made only 7000 (Still) 4" lugers that year. They are characterized by: no suffix, no notch on the chamber for the artillery sight, an unrelieved sear bar and two proof marks on the magazine bottom. My "1914" turned out to be actually a 1917 or 1918 piece with a 1914 dated receiver. Your photos seem to also be a later Erfurt with a 1914 dated receiver. I would like to know what the serial number and suffix, if any, are.

thanks drbuster I have n't this information on my books
the serial number is 1969 no letter suffix
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...914d_copy1.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...914g_copy2.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...asse_copy1.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...14culasse1.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...914detail1.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...914detail3.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...er1914s42a.jpg
as you may see the barrel and the left grip as be change by mauser between 1936-1939 (S/42 marck)
best regards
if you want more pics please ask

Thanks Jean-Marie. Looks like the Erfurt was reworked both in the Weimar and Third Reich eras.

hi
in his book The Luger handbook Aarron Davis said the 1900 swiss model commercial have germann commercial proof
why my have no proof mark ?
if some one may explain tanks

Jean Marie, I cannot comment on the 1900 Swiss because I don't have time today to do research... perhaps someone who specializes in this era of Luger production can comment, but I do know that while the Aaron Davis book has some good photographs, and may contain SOME valid information, it is NOT considered to be an accurate reference... I have thrown my copy of this book away a long time ago...

Your 1900 Swiss is not a commercial, it is a military. So it should not have the "BUG" commercial proofs and is totally correct.

John Sabato's comments on Aaron Davis' book are worthwhile. The book is a useful tool if you use the "flow charts" to identify a Luger. The detailed information on the different variations is full of mistakes and misinformation. It is too bad that Mr. Davis did not take more care in the preparation of this book, because it could have been a very good reference for the beginning collector.

Hi Jean Marie,

This other, early M1900 Swiss luger (serial # 3xx) was sold by a USA dealer last year. It had an asking price of $ 11,500.00 USD. That was the asking price...not sure what the actual as-sold price was. It was sold by Doug Smith of FGS, Inc. in Ohio.

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...1900_swiss.jpg

Regards,

Pete...:typing:

thanks pete and ron and all others
it seem that the first (500?) pieces was without german proof
I will give a bad note to Ned Schwing in is Military Firearms he said page 92 "the military serial range is 2000-500; the commercial range 01-21250 the were 2000 commercial and 3000 military models manfactured"
that why I beliewe first time it was a commercial luger
tanks
jean-marie