Proof marks on LP 08 boards.
 

Here is a compilation of proofs from George Anderson and two of mine. My two are noted on the caption. It would appear to me that there is no definite proof used on DWM or Erfurt?

Opinions?:confused:

Sn 246a
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/246a.jpg

1914 Erfurt sn 4469b
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...t_sn_4469b.jpg

1914 Erfurt sn 5865a
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...t_sn_5865a.jpg

1915 DWM sn 3398a
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...m_sn_3398a.jpg

1917 DWM 1126 g My gun matching to gun.
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...dwm_1126_g.jpg

2203
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/2203.jpg

3980g
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/3980g.jpg

6713i
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/6713i.jpg

DWM 513 My stock not matching to gun.
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dwm_513.jpg

Please note that another part of Patrice's question above was whether the Erfurt stock irons carried proofs as the Erfurt pistols do. Neither of my known Erfurt stocks has proofs and, in fact, none of mine have proofs. What does this say about the manufacturing process?

Who made the stock irons?
Who fitted the wood to the iron?
At what point in the process is the stock matched up with the pistol?
Is the crown/M on a Navy stock a proof or an acceptance mark?

Lastly, I have a number of matched rigs where the stock carries no acceptance stamp. I hold all these as suspect. Does anyone have a full matched rig where the stock is not stamped who is absolutely certain that the parts are all original to the rig?

George,

Stocks and stock irons are not included in the 1910 marking instructions.

--Dwight

Hi,

Goertz mentions a marking sometimes observed on LP08 stocks. It's a small 'A' for 'austausch' or 'swap' and means that the stock may be swapped between pistols.

Who made the stock irons?
Who fitted the wood to the iron?
At what point in the process is the stock matched up with the pistol?
Is the crown/M on a Navy stock a proof or an acceptance mark?

Lastly, I have a number of matched rigs where the stock carries no acceptance stamp. I hold all these as suspect. Does anyone have a full matched rig where the stock is not stamped who is absolutely certain that the parts are all original to the rig? [/B][/QUOTE]

The silence is deafening.

Hi George,

Considering the setup of DWM's production plant (and most probably the duplicate, delivered by DWM to the Erfurt arsenal), it's safe to say that most parts were made in house.

I don't think there was a reason to secure stocks to LP08s and therefore identify stocks with the pistol's number. Depending on local need, they probably did sometimes.

Army accceptance stamps are logical as just about everything except the soldiers (and some did :) ) got stamped. So I can't find a good explanation for stocks that didn't have army acceptance stamps....

So here are my best bets:
Who made the stock irons? DMW and Erfurt.
Who fitted the wood to the iron? DWM and Erfurt.
At what point in the process is the stock matched up with the pistol? Well outside the factory....Pistols go out in crates, stocks go out in crates, holsters go out in crates, etc....They don't leave they factory as completely mated rigs.
Is the crown/M on a Navy stock a proof or an acceptance mark? My best bet? Acceptance mark. I don't think they 'proofed' the stocks like they proofed pistols.

That's my point, were stock irons treated as non weapons and therefore not subject to proofing?

Also, has anyone seen the "G" or the "S" cartouche on GEW98s or other rifles? Lots of cartouche on my long guns but no "S" or "G".

Does anyone know if this stamping was isolated to individuals in factories?

I guess that Van Vlimmeren's educated guess would help to explain why some stocks have the weapons serial number stamped on the neck of the wood instead of on the attaching iron. But with no cartouche.
Big Norm

I picked up a stock this weekend that I consider quite unique. The acceptance cartouche is a gothic H, I have never seen one before. Further it has a very crisp crown over "RC" just above the C/H. It is asserted that it came from a 1914 Erfurt. Lastly the serial number is "14" with no suffix!

The pics Geo !! the pics................
And thanks for them

Patrice, I will email them to you and maybe you could post them here.

Just the pics from Geo (USA to France and now come back)

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...t14a_forum.jpg

The other one
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...iron_forum.jpg

Very beautiful pics from this rare item with the screws stamped with gothic letter
Thanks Geo