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wayne8661 12-15-2012 02:23 PM

1917 DWM Arty question
 
I just acquired a 1917 DWM arty all numbers match except magazine. I was looking at it today and I do have one question.

The frame is serial numbered 7227 b and the barrel is serial numbered 7227 but with no suffix,

Is this something to be alarmed over?

George Anderson 12-15-2012 02:50 PM

It warrants some concern.

wayne8661 12-15-2012 03:02 PM

Were there any examples where the barrel wasnt suffixed? The condition of the barell finsish to the gun is consistent. Numbers are of the same font and size.

alanint 12-15-2012 03:34 PM

photos would help.

wayne8661 12-15-2012 03:41 PM

Ill get photos on later. Just wanted to know if anyone has run across this before.

mrerick 12-15-2012 03:43 PM

The barrel on my 1917 DWM LP08 (within the "k" block) has the suffix letter stamped on the barrel.

Marc

wlyon 12-15-2012 03:48 PM

My 1917 artillery has a suffix on both barrel and frame. Bill

wayne8661 12-15-2012 08:59 PM

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Here are a few pics I love the gun and it looks right to me I just dont get why it doesnt have a suffix on the barrel. More pics to follow

wayne8661 12-15-2012 09:03 PM

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wayne8661 12-15-2012 09:04 PM

Even More all small parts are numbered 27 Hold open, Firing pin even both of the grips are numbere 27 the gun looks legit to me But why no suffix

wayne8661 12-15-2012 09:08 PM

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George Anderson 12-15-2012 09:44 PM

Run the rear sight up as high as you can and, with a strong light, examine the numbers on top of the barrel below the sight mount. Those numbers should include at least two numerals from your serial number. If they are there you are probably alright.

DavidJayUden 12-15-2012 09:48 PM

Odd, but I'm not seeing a fake. An anomaly IMHO.
dju

wayne8661 12-15-2012 09:55 PM

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Inside the sight it has a 652 on the site frame it says 65

wayne8661 12-15-2012 10:14 PM

The serial number on the bottom of the barrel has no evidence of being re struck and if someone would go through the trouble to re strike the serial number to the proper size and font why wouldnt they put the suffix on?

alanint 12-16-2012 01:10 AM

It would seem like whomever stamped the barrel serial number did not leave enough space for the letter suffix to be added, given that the bore gauge had to be in there as well, so it was omited.

It looks like one of those legitimate anomalies to me.

DavidJayUden 12-16-2012 09:53 AM

Like I already stated, I'm not seeing a problem.
But just for the sake of whipping up some discussion, am I seeing scratches around the base of the barrel just out from the base ring that might show clamp or fixture wear? That could suggest re-barreling somewhere along the way. Also without all the white lacquer stick filler, are there halo's around the barrel numbers similar to that on the frame? Can you clean off all the white stuff and post some really good photos of those barrel, and maybe frame, numbers? Also, do the index marks align?
Thanks for indulging me.
dju

sheepherder 12-16-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wayne8661 (Post 225104)
The serial number on the bottom of the barrel has no evidence of being re struck and if someone would go through the trouble to re strike the serial number to the proper size and font why wouldnt they put the suffix on?

Perhaps because they didn't have the proper 'fractur' font lower case letter stamps... :rolleyes:

Harbor Freight/Brownells can't stock everything...'Someone' might have thought it would be better to leave it off rather than strike an obviously false font and have it proved a fake... ;)

...Pure conjecture on my part... :D

wayne8661 12-16-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden (Post 225128)
Like I already stated, I'm not seeing a problem.
But just for the sake of whipping up some discussion, am I seeing scratches around the base of the barrel just out from the base ring that might show clamp or fixture wear? That could suggest re-barreling somewhere along the way. Also without all the white lacquer stick filler, are there halo's around the barrel numbers similar to that on the frame? Can you clean off all the white stuff and post some really good photos of those barrel, and maybe frame, numbers? Also, do the index marks align?
Thanks for indulging me.
dju

David the witness mark under magnification looks good, there are however scratches on the throat of the barrell , There are also definately halso around the numbers on the barrell.

George Anderson 12-16-2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wayne8661 (Post 225102)
Inside the sight it has a 652 on the site frame it says 65

652 is on the sight base. You need to be looking forward of there into the void at the top of the barrel.


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