Finaly fround .30 Luger at Floride flea market
 

I live in Florida. Do you mind telling me where in case I'm close~~~ Eric!

Hi,

I really doubt that lead bullets or hollow point bullets were loaded for military useage, as they have been outlawed for military useage for over 100 years.

WRA, of course, is Winchester Repeating Arms, so we know who made the casings, anyway. A hollow point lead bullet, now that's interesting, indeed. I'd really like to see one of those, as nobody is currently manufacturing those, to my knowledge, in .30 Luger.

Someone may have more knowledge here, but I don't remember seeing any original Winchester vintage ammo loaded with lead bullets, let alone hollow point ones.

I hope this helps!


Sieger

Thanks for the replies. I'll post some pictures soon
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Pictures of .30 Lger
 

That is a most interesting round, to say the least. The WRA is Winchester Repeating Arms, for the brass. I have a small amount of the same brass that I handload for my Lugers. That lead HP bullet with a cannalure is a new one for me. It obviously is set up for a roll crimp, like many factory 30 Luger ammo today. A cannalure on a lead HP bullet is really interesting. I believe that these rounds are reloads, but I certainly could be incorrect(that happens often). I have never seen factory Lead HP ammo for 30 Luger handguns. Thank you very much for posting the info and photos.

Jasta 2,

Thanks for posting the photos!!

This seems to be quite an intelligently designed lead bullet for the 7.65 Luger!

Please note the short ojive (long bearing surface of the bullet).

Thanks again!


Sieger

Jasta 2

You know, at second look, the bullets don't really look like they are cast lead; as the bullets just look too perfect (no oxidation, perfect edges, no casting seam, presence of a cannalure, etc.)!

Could they be nickel jacketed bullets instead; as both the German and U.S. manufacturers used nickel jackets for some time into the 1930s. Your WRA headstamped casings would be from this early period too, by the way.

Can you mark the bullet with a good strong application of your thumbnail? If not, you may have some original Winchester FMJ Hollow Point ammo here.

Again, do we have a member more familiar with the Winchester products of that period?

Thanks, as the mystery continues.


Sieger

You are correct. I though the bullet looked a little to smooth and shiny to be lead, it had the look of lead. The round is quite hard, could not scratch it at all. wonder when these could have been made. Maybe the 30's as you suggested. Anyone need a round for their 9mm ammo collection, just send me a PM.

Bill

I agree with Bob(Sieger) that this is a well designed bullet. When you look at it, with using the cannalure as designed for crimping, one has an OAL that appears to be nice and long. Would you be able to measure the OAL of that cartridge? Most definitely has a significant bearing surface. Could you also measure the diameter of the bullet?.... .308, or .309in.

This is a great find by you, and a lot of fun trying to figure it all out. Thanks again.

Rhuff,

If you like one or two rounds, please PM me.
Bill

Thank you very much for the offer, but I don't collect ammo. I just thought that it was a most interesting cartridge, and anything that I can learn about 30 luger ammo is good. Now knowledge retention is another thing.