New production of Krieghoff
 

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Krieghoff News

10.03.2006

Back from the Past: The Krieghoff Parabellum

There is good news for connoisseurs of fine pistols. More than 60 years after the last â??Krieghoff Parabellumâ?? was built in Suhl, Germany, Krieghoff is making them again in the form of a Limited Edition of 200 pistols.

Letâ??s go back to September 1945. The last â??Krieghoff Parabellumâ?? pistols leave the Suhl factory made for officers of the US Army. A short time later Germany was divided and the Russian Red Army had jurisdiction over the factory in Suhl. They dismantled the Krieghoff plant and destroyed the buildings.

Post World War II Krieghoff regrouped in Ulm, West Germany, but the production of pistols was not resumed. The gun was seen as too complicated to make and the market was too small.

â??Krieghoff Parabellumâ?? pistols from that time were known for excellent quality and workmanship. Approximately 10,000 pistols were made, - a relatively small number which made them highly collectable all over the world.

Scroll forward to March 2006. The first â??Krieghoff Parabellumâ?? in more than 60 years goes to the German Proofhouse. The newly made pistols are 100% identical with the ones made in Suhl some 60 years ago. No detail was overlooked the way these complicated pistols are built. All parts, even the smallest ones are milled from solid steel, like the originals. As an example, the grip piece is machined from a solid 6 kg (13 lbs) piece of steel. All features and details which set the â??Krieghoff Parabellumâ?? apart from other Luger pistols were maintained including the blue case colored front sight as well as the Krieghoff Anchor company logo which dates back to pre-1945.
The â??Krieghoff Parabellumâ?? of 2006 will be a Limited Edition of 200 pieces with a serial number range from 18001 to 18200. The pistols come in a custom made aluminum case marked with the â??Krieghoff Parabellumâ?? name and the Krieghoff Anchor logo and will include a certificate of origin. A spare clip is also included.
Rare and very limited, the new pistols are available directly from Krieghoff. Deliveries will commence in September 2006. The complete package is priced at 10.500,- â?¬




Contact Person:
Ralf M�¼ller
Telefon: +49 731 40182-0
Email: press@krieghoff.de

Absolutely Interesting.
It seems that after the Mauser Parabellum we will have 200 more "new" Lugers.
Thank you for the info.
Cheers,
Mauro

you're welcome:)
Hope someone on the forum will have a chance to purchase one, and perhaps post some pictures..

kanichiwah Tac... I am a bit parched after your dry humor insert... but I plan to quench it soon with a fresh cup of coffee... (it is morning here... must be the middle of the night yesterday in Tokyo... :D )

Steinar, Thanks for the translation of the article. If you find any photos, once the KH Para is in production, I'd love to see one. TH

Tom, I will keep an eye open. Would be neat to see some photos of the production methods also. But I have my doubts..

Hmm.. wonder what my wifeâ??s car will sell for.. ;)

John: So you know I have been to Tokyo and they are ahead of us in time. Morning here would be tonight or early tomorrow morning there. So, in most cases it can never be yesterday in Tokyo. Thought you'd like to know.

In that case... Good tomorrow morning to ya TAC... thanks to you and Sam for setting me straight on this time thing... My 20 years service never got me closer to the far east than Fort Greely at Delta Junction Alaska... spent my time in the USA, East Africa, some time in the middle east and Europe... That "Made in Japan" time never worked on my watch... :D

Tac, Hopefully the little woman can see over the dash of her little green Toyota. I agree that $10K is too much for a repro luger, even a KH, but the way the market is going, in 10 years, we may have wished we had bought one. TH

Tom, after discussing this issue with Mike Krause, he said that tooling up to make a single luger today would cost at least $50K! The more that are made the cheaper it gets (obviously). He said that $10K for such a recreation, considering they plan to make just 100, is really not that bad a price, considering labor costs.

I agree about the fact that the cost is quite correct.
I have some internal Mauser documents that demonstrate how it was difficult for Mauser to keep the engagement with Interarms about the price of the Mauser Parabellum.
In the end Mauser produced only about 23.000 standard Mauser Parabellum and the contract with Interarms was dropped in 1976. Then Mauser moved in the commemorative business (1975-86) and special production (IWA models) in this way it was able to increase the price of the Parabellum that was not so far from the current Krieghoff price.

To me 10K euros, although a big amount of money, it is not a bad price.

I have to speack with my wife...:D

Cheers,
Mauro

pretty sure they are very well made.. Not directly 'repro' in my eyes.

If I had the money, and a way to keep it hidden for my wife, I would have one in my safe very soon;)

Right Morgan,
Personally I do not consider 'repro' the Luger made by companies that were involved in the Luger production like Mauser and Krieghoff .

I am considering buying one of these pistols as well.

Cheers,
Mauro

My Krieghoff shotgun, made in the 80's is incredible well made. Makes me feel sure the company is serious in it's production.
I don't find the aluminium mag bottom that 'cheap looking', as metal would be heavy, wood would be weak and bakelite is more of a substitute of aluminium og wood.. Besides, is shiny and long lasting ;)

I'm thinking of purchasing one.. but would probably be to late when/if I decide to get one :rolleyes:

Tac, I find that you have lots to offer this forum, and it sure wouldnâ??t be the same without you! Your experience with handguns exceeds mine by far, and since youre from UK, so does the humor;) I hope your posting was not a goodbye..
Since our countries are practical neighbours, perhaps itâ??s possible with a shooting competition some day? ..with a new krieghoff as the price? ;) If so, I can bring a some Lugers and a few other pistols, perhaps other forum members in Yoorup hook up too.. just a tought..

Hope things are good over in Tokyo!
:cheers:

Tac aka Stevie Wonder,

Your insights, though often acid, do help liven up these discussions.
Hang in here.

As for the new Krieghoff Parabellum, Kalifornia's AG probably won't put it on the list of 'acceptable' firearms anyway.

Russell

Gentlemen, The old methods of producing Lugers is gone forever. The men and machines that took the time and skill to produce an original are dead. Regardless of what maker mark is stamped on the toggle these pistols will always hold a different place in history than those made pre 1945. I cannot place a value judgement concerning them except to say they will never achieve the historical significance of an original. One could buy a very nice original for ten thousand Euro's.
Another thought creeps into my head...Winchester made some of the finest rifles in the World. When they farmed out the manufacture in 1965 the rifle was not worth having and those made today are a shell of their former selves. They might even be better but they are not the same.
I would reserve judgement untill I was able to see the new Krieghoff but I would not have great expectations. Perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised.
Jerry Burney

New Luger
 

Hello to all! I agree with Jerry, The whole system of manufacture and production back then was different. There was a system of apprentice, journeymen, and master back then. The journeyman did the rough work, and the master did the final work. Then, the master signed off on everything... The guns were literally built, fit, and finished, by master craftsmen with 30 to 40 years of experience in their single area of expertise... It can be surmised that it reached an art form at the beginning of the 20th century... all the surviving items and artifacts indicate this, (just look at a mint 1900 comm.)... We still have the people with all the ability, and in modern day manufacture they are masters in there own right... It's just that on Lugers, the last 5% of the quality, is 95% of the work! And, It has to be done by hand, by Masters!!! And that ain't going to be cheap, ever! Krieghoff has no shortage of these people, but will they go the distance and use them in the degree necessary... I sure hope so... Best to all, til....lat'r....GT

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Morgan, If the photo's you show are of the new production Krieghoff I will have to eat some crow on Krieghoffs production capability....Very nice I must say.
Mike Krause hand makes a .45 Luger and his production so far has been just as superlative.
I congratulat all who can maintain excellent quality when making these fine pistols...Jerry Burney

new P.08
 

Hi Jerry... no crow has to be eaten by you here... Up until now, Mike Krause was the only one to get it right! One would have to be a bit leary of anyone who takes on making the Luger... Obiviously, they (Krieghoff) are able and willing, and made the necessary sacrifices in order to "do it right!" If the pictured gun is their production piece, then it's hats off and congratulations! I want one.. but then again, I want one of everything... :) :) Best to all, til...lat'r....GT

No doubt.. it sure looks nice!
I would prefer wood grips and more # on it, but thats just details..

new P.08
 

Hi Morgan, I noticed the lack of numbers also, I am undecided as to which way I like them best.. If you look at the pic's in the back of Costanzos WOL Proofmarks he has prints of a sanitized 1900 comm. They have a beauty all their own with out any stamps.. I like the krieg as pictured.. I still want one... :) best to you, til...lat'r....GT

I also wonder if they had a couple hundred grip sets left over... they sure look like the original spare set I have... I wonder if they are phenolic like the originals?? ... til...lat'r...GT

Morgan can you identify where you sourced these photos for us? and are there any more? like the right side?

Boy, the fit of the grips, as with all the rest of the parts appears to be in the magic category... what amazing precision is shown in this example...

John, the pictures was sent to me from mr Ralf M�¼ller, Krieghoff contact person. These where the pictures he send me, nothing of the right side.

Now that is one "repro" I could live with! Too bad my bank account can't.

I just noticed that the magazine latch is not strawed, but blued ... is this common practice on KH pistols of olde?

Absolutely Nice!!

Lovely,

Anyone got 10,500 Euros lying around that I can borrow?

John,

On my Krieg (P 59) the magazine latch is strawed.

I am in agreement that this is a beautiful firearm, but the finite finish elements aren't of the quality of P 59. Look carefully at the finish of the breech block to center toggle connection, the radius of the connection is way off. The gun I have in my hand is flawless in the areas of connecting parts. For the price, I would expect more. JMHO

Jack Hiles
Mesa AZ

I am wondering why the two pictured guns are so far apart in serial numbering. Are they starting production with 12000 or 18000? Is there any rhyme or reason for this?

Jack Hiles
Mesa AZ

I do hope that Ig has also decided to stay since you are still using his photo as an avatar ... welcome back old friend...

anchovey and prune vindaloo?? now I have not had good vindaloo since I was a boy....but prune and anchovey? seriously do you have a good recipe for a beef vindaloo as I would love it! the best to you, thanks.

My Bad! Old eyes playing tricks on me. The real reason I thought they were different has to do with the angle of the slot on the grip screw. It appears that the two screw slots are definitly ascue of each other.

Only reason I looked so hard was that even the angle of the tightened grip screw on P 59 is the same as the full side view of the Repro! I was scratching my head as to wether or not they had that close maching tolerances that the slots all come out in the same angle. The other picture appears to be quite different

Jack Hiles

Krieg
 

I don't have a wife. But in order to afford one I need a better job or a nicer banker. It's always something.

I would predict to say that this will be a new and valuable variation on Krieg in a generation if the demand for the pistols is high on the front end.

Just my two cents.

MAK