06/29 M+ Stamp
 

Hello Luger Collectors

my red grip swiss Luger has on serial number also an M+ mark stamp.
Who knows what a kind of stamp this is ?
Best
HM

Photo
 

Sorry, hope here is
the picture

It is the inspection stamp of Col. Muhlemann, the Swiss official that performed a quality check and acceptance of Swiss military firearms.

Henry,

The "P" that is on the left side of your receiver (with the letter P laying on its back) is the privatization release stamp. This is done when a soldier left the service and wanted to keep his sidearm. Sometimes it is just stamped with a "P"...other times it is stamped with a P xx...with two numbers for the year/date it was release. For example..." P 41 " would indicate the luger was released from Ordnance control/use in 1941.

Pete,

Were they allowed to just take their sidearm, or did they have to pay for them?

--Dwight

Hi Dwight,

I do not have an answer for you. I will email some folks in CH and inquire.

Interesting question . I to am looking foward to the answer.

No they did not have to pay for their gun.
Times have changed now the current Swiss soldiers need to pay for the modification (auto to semi-auto) of their Stgw90's when they want to keep that one.

Thanks,
Guisan.:)

Col. Muhlemann
 

Hello und good evening,

know some body of You why Col. Muhlemann uses 2 different marks ( old round in 30th in cube ?
Best Regards
HM

Nada and I was born way after he died but I learned that patience is a good thing to get answers on questions like this.

Thanks,
Guisan.:)

Henry,

I would just guess that stamps/dies wore out and new ones were made and maybe the style of each stamp was changed...I have seen Col Muhlemann's stamping with just the +/M and no cartouche surrounding it...but have also seen a round/oval cartouche and a rectangular cartouche surronding the +/M.

I have a 06/29 parabellum made in 1941 (SN 61903) which has a "M" different of Henry Markell 's one:I send you a picture:bigbye:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9144/m7xy.jpg


:cheers:

...........

Might be interesting to do a serial# study to determine the evolution of the mark...

--Dwight

I have seen 3 types of +/M stampings along the side of M1929 Ordnance lugers (note the commerical ones did not receive an Ordnance inspector stamping.). Both shown in the photos in the posting are of the types I have seen and have on some of my M1929's. I would imagine inspector stamps wore out and had to be replaced and new ones may have been ordered with a different style to reduce boredom of using the "same ole stamp"...

Sometime around # 66xxx, the Muhlemann stamping went away and was replaced with a "W+F" stamping. See the attached photo I took off the Simpson LTD site.

...http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...ping_m1929.jpg


My guess is that Muhlemann retired (he started at Bern in 1913 and the M1929 ran to the end of November 1947) and this W+F stamping was then used to the end of the M1929 Ordnance run of lugers. This is just a guess on my part...no research done.

Here is a scan of a Swiss stamping chart author V. Bobba has in his book about Swiss lugers :

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/swiss_stamping.jpg