Navy Toggle Question
 

When was the larger flange on the rear toggle pin used? Do you ever see circumstances where the standard pin was used in 1916?

Thanks,

Dan

Dan, The large rimmed rear toggle axel was used on Naval Lugers from 1908 on. Tom H.

Dan,

I don't have an answer to that question, but I am still curious about a related question I posted earlier on the same subject.

What was the reason for the larger flange on the Navy Lugers? Could it have served the same purpose as the Mauser bump on later Lugers?

Since the larger flange was not common to any of the other WW-I DWM Lugers, the inclusion of this part in the Navy version was an added-cost item, a fact which would lead one to suspect that the German Navy actually included the larger flange in their specification to DWM.

How about it Navy Collectors, does anyone know the history of this?

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Hi Dan,
I'm not a big Navy collector, but I think the bigger headed rear connecting pins started in 1916 and were ONLY used on the 1916 and 1917 dated models. You should never see a 1916 or 1917 Navy with a small, or normal size pin. Take care -- Bill Munis

Dan,

As I mentioned earlier, I don't know the answer to this question, but I have another data point.

In a discussion with a 30+ year dealer yesterday, I asked the same question. He gave me the same answer that (MauserLugers) Bill Munis provided above.

[quote]Originally posted by MauserLugers:
<strong>Hi Dan,
I'm not a big Navy collector, but I think the bigger headed rear connecting pins started in 1916 and were ONLY used on the 1916 and 1917 dated models. You should never see a 1916 or 1917 Navy with a small, or normal size pin. Take care -- Bill Munis</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bill
I only have one Navy, a 1908, but it has a larger flange. Sorry about the duplicate of your post, I am going through a learning curve with the new format.
larry

Hey Larry,

This new forum has a great new feature! You are allowed to edit your own postings. If you make a mistake, just click on the icon with the pencil and paper above the post with the mistake and it will put you in edit mode.

Deleting posts can only be done by one of the forum moderators... Posts will generally not be deleted unless they violate the terms of service or Forum Decorum rules.

I will let you edit your second post for the practice...

This new forum software is head and shoulders above what we were using...

best to you...

Luke, I have always believed that the large flange Navy Lugers were designed this way to serve the same purpose as the Mauser Bump on the upper receiver... to keep the axle from slipping out when in the most extreme position.

I came to this conclusion based on examination of the design engineering and not from any published data...

just my $0.02

Hi,
Did some checking and Tom Heller was correct. The 1906's have the small headed rear connecting pins and the 1908, 1916, and 1917's all have the larger headed rear connecting pins. You can find a small pin in the 1908's or 1914's, as they still fit, but that is not what they were issued with. --- Later -- Bill M

I have not seen one, but from previous posts there are a few 1918 dated Navy Lugers being found. It would be interesting to see it they too have the large head axle pin.

Hi members what a great new site...In answer to the question, my 1918 dated Navy does have the large headed axle pin.......Leo

Hello Luger11, welcome to the site, although I live in Washington State, I have flown into Mass., on many occassions this last year (corp HQ is there), welcome to the forum!

Ed

[IMG] http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Trigger.jpg[/IMG] This is the trigger on an early 1906 Navy with the serial number upside down. Apparently DWM did not consider it serious enough to change it.

Anyone have an idea as to why the image didn't open?

[quote]Originally posted by Johnny Peppers:
<strong>[IMG] ]http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Trigger.jpg[/IMG] ....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sure!! OK you have an extra "]" after "/IMG]]" so - if you'd deleted that to read "/IMG]" - you would'a seen this
[img]biggrin.gif[/img] :
http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Trigger.jpg

Huh? I don't see the extra bracket ] anywhere. If there is one, where did it come from as I did a copy from the old forum and a paste here.

[IMG] http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Trigger.jpg[/IMG]

This is exactly what I am seeing with no extra bracket. Hod did you see it?

Johnny, I don't see it either, unless I put my mouse over the "image" wording and then I see a [ on one side and I guess it shouldn't be there?

You could edit your own post and see it then, and if you take out the [ it should show up correctly.

The edit is the pencil and paper above that post icon thingy.

Hello Johnny,

From what I recall on the old Forum threads, are 1918 Navy lugers to be regarded with some "suspect" ?

IMHO, 1918 chamber dated Navy military lugers, if there are any, are VERY suspect.