1936 Krieghoff
 

Saw this 1936 Krieghoff in a gun store today. I don't have any Krieghoffs myself, maybe someday, on the wish list for sure. Not as clean as I would like, but did appear to be matching except the magazine which is unmarked and appears to be messed with. Did not find a serial number on the takedown lever, but did not remove it either. Take down is a little beat. Had a hold open, but it did not function. Firing pin, side plate, toggle front and rear, toggle pin all matching. Took the best photos I could under their fluorescent lights to share with you. I understand there are a few variations of 1936 Krieghoffs. Please comment on this Krieghoff so I and others can learn. Seems pretty high priced at $4,500.00 considering everything, but I know Kriegs are high value. Thanks.

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A 'messed with' magazine is a good reason why a hold open doesn't function.
I suggest trying the hold open with another mag ... perhaps a new MecGar if you have one available. This could tell you a lot about whether the hold open is in need of work ... IMO I suspect the magazine is the real problem and this simple test will tell you a lot.
Looking at the mag images it definitely looks 'messed with' and in need of GT's attention

JMHO ... don't shoot the messenger ... just trying to help.

Thanks Spangy, but it is not mine, just for sale in a gun shop. I do not intend to purchase this Krieghoff.

It looks like a real Kreighoff but it has a BIG problem, it's stock lug appears to have been removed!
Norm

Well Norme, good eye. That fact slipped by me. Did all 1936 Krieghoffs have stock lugs? And by the way, would this be a commercial or military Krieghoff? It has hidden serial numbers like a commercial. Here is the only pic I have of the back. I didn't check its heel well, as the missing stock lug escaped me in my rush.

The number is not listed on Tom's list of Krieghoff's. With the lug ground off the frame must have been refinished.

G2

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait till you find a nice one! https://simpsonltd.com/krieghoff-1936-c31229/

It's a lot of money for a shooter! :)

Lock and Load!

To my eye, either it never had a stock lug or the repair of the area from which one might have been removed is excellent.

Grinding off a stock lug to eliminate all traces of it does not leave enough material to present the same line as a frame that was built without. In other words, there's not a non lugged frame "inside" a lugged frame because the cuts for the lug go too deep.

It's also possible to spot refinish a discreet area of a Luger frame, as Ted Green once showed us in pics. We are patient enough to wait for better pics of this area, which may provide a clue. Alas, I'm not Krieghoff-savvy enough to know if this observation is even worthwhile.

It also looks as though the frame was seriously dinged before refinishing.

Boys, this Keieg was born a he..it is now a she.

A real Bruce Gender, except Bruce kept his stock lug.

Joe, I’m stealing your comment. It might only make sense in the Luger collecting world but it’s a keeper.

G2

Looks pretty honest to me .

Looking at the front frame pic tells me the entire frame has not been redone .
Maybe just redone to cover the hack job on the lug area .

You mention different variations on 1936 dated HK's .
Yes to that and this is a late one .
Note the 85 on the saftey bar .
Earlier ones are usually not numbered .
Note the frame front is not quite as polished as earlier 1936 dated ones .

This late example is more like a 1937 and should have serial numbers on most parts .

Does the owner know it is butchered ?
I have a weakness for honest but crippled HK"s but not at that price .
Actually have a good HK frame but obviously not this number .

And yes it is a standard military contract gun = late serial placement .
Takedown lever looks right and will be numbered on the inside .

What causes the lines and circles on the receiver? My 1937 Kreighoff has neither~

This is a late 1936 and pretty much the same as 1937"s .
Lines and " circles " are normal and should be there .
Assuming you mean the " circles " on the rear frame sides ?

All are machining-finishing marks .

On the " circles " most HK's have a matte - sand blasted looking finish in that area .

Not all though as a few late ones like the 1943 serial 11411 in Jans third reich lugers and my 1943 serial 11567 are not blasted looking and the area is kinda shiny - with circles of course .

NO END to the little details to study on honest HK's .

I thought the machining on the right side of the receiver looked very rough for a Krieghoff. Especially one with a 7385 serial number.

Kreighoff Birth Marks??

I have 7932~

The photos were not taken under great conditions. They were under fluorescent lighting. Photo's like this make machining more noticeable or obvious than with the naked eye in person. So not quite as pronounced as in these photos. FYI.

Also, I emailed the gun shop about the stock lug being removed as I won't be going by there any time soon. If I bought this Krieghoff cheap enough, I would sell the grips for $1,000.00(if I were lucky) and have a nice shooter. But, I won't be buying this one.

On the upper end of the rough scale on this example for sure .
Still normal though .
The precision machining tolerances may have dictated that this was the point to stop removing material .

Remember this 10,000 luger order was nothing more than a showcase of HK's precision skills .

Aircraft machine guns and etc was what they were after .

Bringing this back up as it is a good example of what HK lugers look like. Butchered but lookin good .

Ijust sold y 1937 Kreighoff and holster to Tom at Legacy for $10k