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abulg1972 12-08-2014 12:38 PM

First Acquisition Prompts Me to Join Forum
 
Greetings. This is my first post to the forum and I hope to learn a ton of information from you folks. I joined because I recently purchased a 1916 DWM P.08 that, I believe, is in very good condition. From what I can tell, it's a pretty "run of the mill" early 1916 military issue P.08, if any P.08 can be called that. There's nothing special about it other than condition. Except for the magazines, all parts match, the nitre bluing remains strong and the straw color looks very good. The bore is very nice, with strong lands. There is no unit mark. It came with a holster, but I'm pretty certain it is either a Browning Hi-Power holster or a reproduction. The Nazi party eagle is someone's embellishment. I paid a little more than I wanted to, but what's a few hundred dollars??!!

Is there anything in particular I should know or note, look for, etc.? Thank you!

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abulg1972 12-08-2014 12:45 PM

Crap - I mistakenly posted this in the Admin forum. I was reading the rules, and thought I was back in the P.08 forum. Mods, if you can move, please do. Otherwise, please delete and I'll repost. Sorry about that.

John D. 12-08-2014 01:16 PM

Welcome to the forum -and don't you think twice about posting in the wrong forum with your first post...

I moved it into the correct forum for you.. ;)

Best,

John Dunkle

abulg1972 12-08-2014 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by John D. (Post 263989)
Welcome to the forum -and don't you think twice about posting in the wrong forum with your first post...

I moved it into the correct forum for you.. ;)

Best,

John Dunkle

Thank you!

alvin 12-08-2014 01:26 PM

The grip, both front and back side, are important area to check.

Norme 12-08-2014 01:29 PM

Hi Andy, I too would like to welcome you to the forum and posting those excellent photographs. Your gun looks like an honest un-messed with gun, since it has a relieved sear bar it was probably manufactured late in1916.
Regards, Norm

abulg1972 12-08-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin (Post 263991)
The grip, both front and back side, are important area to check.

The grips are nearly perfect. The left grip does not have the "million dollar chip", and I watched about 234 youtube videos before I attempted to remove them.

abulg1972 12-08-2014 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme (Post 263993)
Hi Andy, I too would like to welcome you to the forum and posting those excellent photographs. Your gun looks like an honest un-messed with gun, since it has a relieved sear bar it was probably manufactured late in1916.
Regards, Norm

Thanks. Any idea of a ballpark value for something like this? I paid $1,400.

alvin 12-08-2014 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by abulg1972 (Post 263995)
The grips are nearly perfect.

No. I don't mean wood panels. I mean the front and back grip strap (the steel). On this gun, the grip should have less than perfect blue.. Have pictures?

abulg1972 12-08-2014 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin (Post 263997)
No. I don't mean wood panels. I mean the front and back grip strap (the steel). On this gun, the grip should have less than perfect blue.. Have pictures?

If you mean the backstrap and the forestrap, the only picture I have is the one I posted. Do you mean under the grips? If so, I will take some pictures tonight.

DavidJayUden 12-08-2014 02:30 PM

I think that at $1400 you did fine.
You need to get yourself a wood bottom magazine (for lookin', not shootin'), and then we need to hear from the holster guys, Bill, Jerry or others, to determine what that holster is for. I would agree that it has been embellished and was originally for another gun, almost looks like the later soft-sided P-38 holsters, but not quite. Any markings?
Welcome, and thanks for sharing.
dju

abulg1972 12-08-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden (Post 264001)
I think that at $1400 you did fine.
You need to get yourself a wood bottom magazine (for lookin', not shootin'), and then we need to hear from the holster guys, Bill, Jerry or others, to determine what that holster is for. I would agree that it has been embellished and was originally for another gun, almost looks like the later soft-sided P-38 holsters, but not quite. Any markings?
Welcome, and thanks for sharing.
dju

There are no marks on the holster, so it's definitely not German. I've seen holsters that look exactly like this offered with Hi-Powers, which is why I was thinking that. I also considered whether it could be a P-38 holster, but, again, no proofs, etc. Most of the holsters I've seen for Lugers and P-38s have the magazine pouch on the end, not the front. A friend says that he seems to remember seeing this exact holster in a book which stated that they were imported from Russia in the 90s, so maybe this is a Russian holster that was made to hold captured pistols?

mrerick 12-08-2014 02:51 PM

Hi Andy, and welcome to the forum.

You did fine in your purchase. You are right in the mid market pricing for this.

Your metal based magazine is not contemporary with your Luger, and comes from a later period after 1933.

It is a nice 1916 Luger. As Norm mentioned, the relieved sear bar happened later in 1916. It was a design refinement that allows the toggle to be cycled when the safety is on.

Don't store your Luger in the holster, as this can cause finish damage and pitting.

abulg1972 12-08-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick (Post 264003)
Hi Andy, and welcome to the forum.

You did fine in your purchase. You are right in the mid market pricing for this.

Your metal based magazine is not contemporary with your Luger, and comes from a later period after 1933.

It is a nice 1916 Luger. As Norm mentioned, the relieved sear bar happened later in 1916. It was a design refinement that allows the toggle to be cycled when the safety is on.

Don't store your Luger in the holster, as this can cause finish damage and pitting.

Thank you. I hadn't thought about the holster issue, but it makes sense as I'm sure there are oils, tanning chemicals, etc. that will react with the bluing/metal. I got two non-matching mags, both with metal bottoms. I will look for a proper magazine.

wlyon 12-08-2014 05:42 PM

Would like to see a photo of the back of the holster ie the belt loop or loops. My first guess is a Astra 600 holster. Excellent photos!! Welcome to the Forum and the crazy world of luger collecting. Bill

kzullick 12-08-2014 07:55 PM

Welcome to the Forum and good job on the excellent photos!

kubel 12-08-2014 09:39 PM

Nice Luger and great photos. A lot of GI's embellished captured holsters with German insignia so the holster and insignia may be original to the pistol.....at least original to the GI who captured it.

cirelaw 12-08-2014 10:03 PM

Andy your photographs are superb. They are crucial for an accurate assesment or appraisal! I don't believe I have ever seen better close-ups including perfect lighting without shadows! Lugers have 41 parts and I think you captured them all! I look foward to lugering with you~ Great first!! PS You will always remember your first!! Eric

Geo99 12-08-2014 11:59 PM

Looks to me like a solid $1400-$1500 gun, so you did just fine. A really nice first Luger.
It looks completely original so far - do you have any pics of the inside?

abulg1972 12-09-2014 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Geo99 (Post 264036)
Looks to me like a solid $1400-$1500 gun, so you did just fine. A really nice first Luger.
It looks completely original so far - do you have any pics of the inside?

Not yet. I am still learning how to take these apart. Once I get some time this weekend to play with it, I will take some pictures of the guts.


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