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Pistol 12-10-2017 11:51 AM

Navy Mark
 
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Does this navy Eagle/M mark look correct? It is on a G date with a serial number that falls within the proper range.

mrerick 12-10-2017 01:29 PM

No... I'm pretty confident it is a fake, but then again I am not a Navy Luger expert...

DonVoigt 12-10-2017 01:40 PM

Check out the Navies reported in Weimar Lugers by Still.
The E/m is a little different and the 717 is quite a few #s earlier than the first reported G date.

But then, Weimar times were odd.

Pistol 12-10-2017 02:05 PM

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Here is one from legacy that sold recently (see link below). I think they started in the d block. This one is later with a higher inventory number. I zoomed in on its Eagle/M and it is a little different from the other example. So, wonder if the markings can vary......maybe with pantograph marks more so than stamps?


https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/...uger-2069.html

Pistol 12-10-2017 02:08 PM

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Zoomed more and side by side

gunbugs 12-10-2017 06:01 PM

if you ask me, (and you didn't), 1220 "looks" real,717"looks" faked.

mrerick 12-10-2017 07:07 PM

The one with N 717 has what look like chicken feet...

Pistol 12-10-2017 09:18 PM

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Here are two others that look different than the first two. These look more ornate and have eyes. Feet are also different.

DonVoigt 12-10-2017 09:55 PM

The other "eagles" appear to have more detail than 717.
It is obvious that they vary, tough call.

gunbugs 12-10-2017 10:37 PM

All the what appear to be "authentic" M marks have curved legs on the "M". The apparent fake has straight legs. That and the chicken doesn't "look right". But that's just my observation and judgement call. YMMV.

Pistol 12-11-2017 08:46 AM

It seems they all are different. But would that be expected if pantographed by different people or even the same person that changed it from earlier eagles? Possibly making it more ornate over time.

Or it could be a mechanic boosting a perfectly good G date to turn it into a rarer gun. Apparently the estimate is 700 of them in the d, e, and f blocks.

Norme 12-11-2017 09:13 AM

If you want to be certain that you are not buying an expensive fake then avoid Third Reich Navy Lugers altogether. That's what I do and I'm a Navy Luger specialist! I would give the same advice to anyone contemplating buying a "Death Head" Luger, they too have pantographed markings. Simply put, there is no sure way of distinguishing good from bad.
Norm

Pistol 12-11-2017 11:29 AM

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Here is yet another that has its own characteristics

Pistol 12-11-2017 11:31 AM

Norme,

That is great advice since it sure does seem hard to tell an original.


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