1906 Ideal Holster Market Value
 

One just went for $1125 on ebay. Gunbroker has a second with a couple pieces missing that is about half that with about 5 days to go.

None I have seen look to be in grand condition. If not purchased as a rig, it is very difficult to find the special grips required.

Ideal made a similar holster for the Colt, and maybe S&W:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ7myzGmfIE

Original holsters for early commercial Lugers are kind of scarce and in some instances difficult to identify. Talk about something to look out for at a flea market!

If I saw that at a flea market, I'd think it was part of an artificial arm... :o

What do the grips look like???

(I was at the Import Auto Show at Carlisle one year; guy had a tent with really old dental tools & medical stuff...I found a great nickel plated battery terminal spreader...Yelled out to my [then] wife, "Hey! I..."... that was as far as I got...She *flew* across the tent to snatch it away and put it down...I mean, really...How was I to know???) :D

Clark, If you have ever shot a stocked 9mm you will see that the stock kicks you pretty good. The twin blades on these rigs seem like they would be extremely uncomfortable.

The grips look like this:

An Ideal stock assembled to a Luger is second from the bottom

...???...Shouldn't the grips be mirror images of each other (the steel plates/slots)??? Why do they look so different??? Has someone welded in one of the slots for the upper hook (and ground it smooth)???

...Just in case I'm at that flea market... :D

Aaarrrg...you are correct. I pulled up the worng images. Hope I can find the right ones in the jungle of my files.

I give up. I can't find it right now. I will delete the inside image and if I have to I will photograph my grips at a later date.

Ron
Wonderful pic of all the known stocks for a Luger.
The one on the bottom is very rare. I have never seen one in person,only pics.
I love shooting stocked pistols.
Bob

Ron
Amazing collection. Thanks for sharing. Bill

Postino: looks like an artificial arm indeed.

Jerry: Looks like a design flaw..Surprised there isn't some type of padding.

Ron: Thanks for the photos. Love the Benke Thieman on the bottom! Ran across this photo of a wild holster for it on another forum:




Clark

Thats the shere beauty of our hobby/passion. there always another "WHOW!!

Clark,
As you probably know (but didn't mention :)) that is my B-T stock and holster. The holster is one of only two or three known.

Bob,
That is not all of the known Luger stocks. There is one other, the experimental Gomann-Grunow collapsing tubular stock. I have only seen pictures of it, and since there apparently are no examples in the US, no one has filed for an exemption for it with the BATFE.

Why were there stock lugs legal but aside from a carbine, artillery or navy there use of one is illegal? Were snail drums also outlawed at one time? Is it illegal to fire my navy or carbine without a stock?

The answer(s) lie with the Gun Control Act and the BATFE. This stock lug topic has been discussed many, many times on both forums (I believe you yourself have participated in the past). Do a search and I am sure you will be able to come up with the explanation. To my knowledge the snail drum magazine has never been illegal. Of course it is not illegal to fire your Lugers without a stock.

No prob! They never touched this in Law School!

Ron
As you say,that Gomann-Grunow luger is really rare.
Here is the only mention I could find on the net.


In German Lugers, a 1906 DWM commercial contract Navy model was $5175 (est. $5500/7500); a 1902 DWM "fat barrel" commercial, $7475 (est. $8500/12,000); an Abercrombie & Fitch reworked 1906 model, $9775 (est. $7500/9500); a Mauser banner 1939 model, $1725 (est. $1000/1500); a Mauser Persian contract artillery model with shoulder stock, $4887.50 (est. $3750/5500); and a telescoping shoulder stock made by Gomann and Grunow, $9200 (est. $5000/6000).

This is from a Rock Island Auction in 2006.

No pics!

Bob

Found this pic of the Ideal - Actually, it looks like the tubes telescope on this one, too...

http://www.icollector.com/images/161..._1759_1_lg.jpg

I can see a button on the top tube, and the bottom tube is hinged...

Ah! It *does* telescope...As this familiar pic of Dwight Gruber's old ideal stock shows...

http://luger.gunboards.com/uploaded/...dealSellme.jpg

Gee...I wonder who wound up with this stock??? :D

Postino: Nice one! First photo I've ever seen of the steel backing of the grips.

Ron: One amazing holster! Total coincidence, though. Had never seen one and I should've guessed it was yours!

Clark

Clark -

For some reason, my browser didn't load the two pics of your holster, just the catalog pic...I only saw yours after tracking down Dwight's/Ron's holster...

As Ron stated, the two grip halves aren't mates...With that one cavity welded shut, I don't even think they would allow attachment (my best guess)...

Clark,

Check out his link to a section of our old gallery... look in the folder named SCHWOB. That was the late Bob Spitzer's screen name. His Ideal Luger and stock was one of the nicest I have ever seen.

http://www.lugerforum.com/lugerowner2.html

Bob actually lent this Ideal stock to another member, ViggoG (Viggo Dereng) who is now also deceased. Viggo was a WW2 vet, and had been a master machinist for NASA during his working career... Lugers were his hobby. He used his amazing skill to create a reproduction of Bob's Ideal stock. Unless you were an expert, you probably wouldn't have been able to tell that his was not original. He made the holster portion out of a the leather in an old second hand ladies leather coat.

There used to be an album of his handiwork in one of the galleries, but I can no longer find it. If any long time member has the photos of dear Viggo's reproduction Ideal stock and the comparison to Bob Spitzer's original, I am am sure that many would appreciate it if you would create a new photo album so that new generations of Luger enthusiasts could enjoy them. I know I would love to see those photos again.
I once mentioned on the forum that my father's war trophy Luger was brought home with two magazines that both had cracked wooden bottoms. Viggo asked me to send him the magazines to see if he could use his fabrication skills to mend the bottoms as a favor to my Dad. A week later, both magazines were returned with brand new walnut bottoms he had hand made... they were perfect in every respect. He had also ironed out the minor dents in the magazine tubes, and the magazines function flawlessly after that. He told me that the work was a gift to honor my Dad's service in WW2... What a guy. I know he is missed by many members here, especially Ed Tinker and myself.

Rest in Peace Bob and Viggo... your kindness and reputation as gentlemen will live long in the hearts of your friends.