Another 1908 Commercial
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Several of these have been posted lately, hence the "Another".
This 9mm gun was mis-described in a recent auction as a "1920 Commercial" and I was able to pick it up for slightly more than a shooter price. The numbers match and it has the later lazy Crown/N proofs, but no hold open, grip safety or stock lug. Curious about the hold open since my 1906 American Eagle barely 4,000 guns before it has one. G&S puts the manufacture date somewhere in 1912. I'm thinking this is original finish, but welcome your comments as to such. On the plus side, the barrel serial has nice halos and the interior areas are properly in the white, as is the end of the barrel. The end of the toggle pin isn't as clean as I would like it to be and doesn't have the dimple that we like to see (maybe it's been removed?). The front and back strap are not worn much at all but have a light sprinkling of brown oxidation under strong light. There isn't much of a toggle mark on the back of the frame. The sides of the extractor are in the white. I was attracted to bid on this gun since I didn't previously have one of these, it lacked a stock lug, and it was similar in many respects to my 1908 Bulgarian and I thought a comparison would be interesting. The grips are not numbered but one has a + symbol. The magazine that came with it is a worn but original-looking DWM military with a serial of 3494 + if anyone's interested in a trade. |
I like it
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nice 9mm - I like it too
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almost all of them went to German officers of the Imperial Army
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Thank you Klaus, I had not heard that before.
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See if "Prv" is stamped in the inside of the mag well. I think the consensus is that "Prv" means private purchase and is mostly seen in earlier Bug proofed commercials. Just curious. I have one that is not far off from your serial number without th Prv in the mag well.
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No marks in the mag well.
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My English is poor but I hope you will know what I mean when I say that most of the Commercial 1908 Lugers were owned by Officers of the German Army. |
...and your Luger does not have the hold open added. Saxon and Bavarian Lugers do not have the hold open added and only half of the Württemberg Lugers have the hold open added and the new front sight.
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Private Lugers of the Landau liste
39317,39359,39514,39537,39578,39637,39721*,39724,39763,39797,39805,39826 40058,40127,40271,40440,40602,40848,40879,40886 41122,41137,41175,41572,41849, 42216 43084,43468,43541, 44790 49448,49804, 50935 51004,51072,51125,51191,51196, 52305,52328,52360,52579,52638,52771,52813,52929,52958, 53072,53341* 55802,55832,55842, 56378,56557,56599,56860*,56898,56927,56936,56948,56964, 57046,57054,57061,57096,57120,57127,57130,57140,57201,57204,57239,57247, 57273,57369, 57388,57705,57998 58179,58193,58317,58426*,58735,58739,58763,58806,58810,58813,58828,58847 ,58861* 59246,59346,59454,59621,59669,59698,59738,59955, 60310 ________________________________________________________________________ __________ 39721 vom B. 23. Inf. Reg. 53341 + 58861 vom B. 12. Feld- Art. Reg. 56860 vom B. 18. Inf. Reg 58426 vom B. 5. Feld Art. Reg. „Außer der Reihe“: 5. Feld.- Art.- Reg. I. Abteilung Nr. 65797 (gesamt 101 P08 mit fünfstelliger Seriennummer zuzüglich weiteren 13 mit 2-4 stelliger Nummer ergibt 115/ 116 private/ zivile P08) |
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"found" five commercial Lugers which are enumerated in the Landau Artillery Depot list
They are marked with a small star. see above and under lfd. Nr 34 of the copy of a page of the list which is dated 1914 |
Very Very Impressive! Good Enough for Any Imperial Officer!!
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Really interesting Klauss, thank you for posting this information.
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Thank you Klaus for posting this info. I had been trying to find the list.
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It is not allowed to publish it but one can get it from the Bayrische Hauptstaats Archiv Abteilung IV Kriegsarchiv under Feldzeugmeisterei 1161
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hope that helps
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Very interesting, thank you Klaus.
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