LugerForum Discussion Forums

LugerForum Discussion Forums (https://forum.lugerforum.com/index.php)
-   Krieghoff Lugers (https://forum.lugerforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=124)
-   -   Most reputable place to buy a Krieghoff? (https://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=30774)

Hodds 07-10-2013 11:51 PM

Most reputable place to buy a Krieghoff?
 
Hi all, new to Luger collecting. I have been collecting 1911s for years and want to start collecting Lugers. I have chosen to collect Krieghoffs. I know they are expensive, but when I collect I believe in buying the best, most desireable and rare items. They always seem to be the items that appreciate in value the most. I have already bought the Gibson book and have read thru it. That Being said, I am very hesitant to just lay out a lot of money and roll the dice. I know even seasoned Luger collectors get burned by fake guns. So I am asking who is the most honest, trustworthy dealer out there?? I know I will pay a premium, but I am ok with that if I can be assured of getting the real deal. So I would love to hear your recommendations.
Thanks in advance!
Ken

alanint 07-11-2013 06:23 AM

Look a few posts below. Michael Zeleny is selling a few of his Kreighoffs off. You can be sure these are legitimate and collector pieces.

alvin 07-11-2013 08:08 AM

Here is the one mentioned by alanint.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=352606163

If you contact the member, he may sell it a little bit lower to you privately. At least, the saved fee can be transferred to your saving (?) Just a possibility.

Hodds 07-11-2013 08:44 AM

Thanks guys. I have actually already contacted Michael yesterday. The 1936 does look beautiful. The only concern I had was the 2 digit stamp on the side plate. From my limited knowledge I did not think the side plates were stamped. Other than that I like the gun. Can anyone here help me out with that issue? Again any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

alvin 07-11-2013 09:39 AM

I believe the numbering on side plate is a variable. At least, those "S" dated Krieghoffs (1936) listing on Simpson LTD have explicit numbers on side plates. Regarding numbering style, font, etc, those detail must consult Krieghoff domain experts. I don't know.

cirelaw 07-11-2013 10:30 AM

Your Krieghoff is listed in Tom Whiteman's data base, #7313 "9mm 1936 '97% all matching and original'~~~Eric

Edward Tinker 07-11-2013 10:34 AM

I really think if you are going to get into Krieghoff's, you should study them for a couple of years.

My experience has shown that 'folks' with money and want the best, usually end up with several very nice and a few questionable. Even well known collectors.

asking for the 'best' dealers around is like asking for the percentage of bluing on a gun, it depends on who you ask.

Michael Zeleny 07-12-2013 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin (Post 236515)
I believe the numbering on side plate is a variable. At least, those "S" dated Krieghoffs (1936) listing on Simpson LTD have explicit numbers on side plates. Regarding numbering style, font, etc, those detail must consult Krieghoff domain experts. I don't know.

Gibson shows an externally numbered sideplate on an S code HK Luger #638 on p. 153 and a 36 code #4080 on p. 163. The external sideplate numbering pattern in the early numbering style is documented on pp. 102-103. As the book says, the external numbering style "is found sporadically into the higher [i.e. above #2500] segment of the [military numbering] range". In keeping with this observation, my pistol #7313 is accounted for in the lists on pp. 71 and 73, confirming its status as correct and original specimen.

Michael Zeleny 07-12-2013 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint (Post 236505)
Look a few posts below. Michael Zeleny is selling a few of his Kreighoffs off. You can be sure these are legitimate and collector pieces.

Thanks for your kind words, Doug. I'm keeping the S codes for now. The 1936 is still available. Bob Simpson thought that it was worth $10K, whence my price, reflecting a 27% discount from retail.

Lugerdoc 07-12-2013 09:15 AM

Hodda, I know nothing of the 1936 KH that you are considering, but purchasing a multi thousand $ luger as your first one, is probably not a good idea. You might consider first, a mismatch shooter that you can use and abuse, to learn more about the feel and function of the luger. Eventually, you may even run into a bargain on a KH, if you know more about them, than the potential seller. Th

Hodds 07-12-2013 10:09 AM

Thanks guys. I really appreciate your insight in this matter. It does seem that the smart move would be to study some more and be patient. I am going to continue to look but unless I feel 100% certain I am getting a great deal, i will take my time. I am excited to get started but think I will take a step back and get all the necessary info. Im sure I will be asking plenty of questions on this forum.
Thanks again for all the help!
Ken

Ben M. 07-12-2013 12:10 PM

this shop seems to have many hk lugers in their inventory.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...dd56f9e85ffb27

Hodds 07-12-2013 02:48 PM

Yes. I have been on Simpsons site. They have some very nice HKs and I have heard good things about them too!

spartacus38 02-16-2014 05:01 PM

Hi Ken,
Be very careful.
Bob

George Anderson 02-16-2014 05:23 PM

Ken, I have four which I am selling; two S codes serial numbers 39 & 439, a 1937 serial number 9812 and a P code serial number P21408.

Michael Zeleny 02-16-2014 05:25 PM

I have an S code to spare, $6,500.00 shipped to members of this forum:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/+...52873625272913

Ben M. 02-16-2014 08:51 PM

buy the book too.

spartacus38 02-16-2014 10:12 PM

Bob Simpson will authenticate your purchase for a modest sum.
I would make your purchase conditional upon his approval.
Otherwise you could make a $8000 purchase and end up with a $3000 gun.
Bob

Ben M. 02-17-2014 04:20 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Book-K...-/310839341183


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:25 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2023, Lugerforum.com