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Jasta2 11-25-2020 04:47 PM

Sad shape Navy
 
During the Weimar Era was it normal for the chamber date, 1917, to be stamped into left side of the frame like this Navy? Picture 4 in the slide show. Despite it's rough condition, looks correct to my untrained eye, but the forum knows best ! Happy Thanksgiving.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/884566260

rpbcps 11-25-2020 05:34 PM

Bill,
I am no specialist, but as I have a grip safety P04 in my collection, I have read up on these in the past.

Referring to volume II of 'The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols', it says, in the production P04's based on the standard P08 (short) frame due to the exigencies of wartime manufacture; these pistols bear the year of manufacture, 1916 or 1917, over the chamber, on the left frame rail and foresight bed.

Have a happy thanksgiving tomorrow

Richard

Norme 11-25-2020 05:45 PM

Hi Bill,
I specialize in Imperial Navy Lugers and I can assure you that the gun in question is a 100% authentic 1917 Navy. It's condition may be poor, but honest it is!
Norm

rpbcps 11-25-2020 05:52 PM

In addition, "the 1917 production was around 15,000 pistols, numbered 1 -5000a."

Also "the 1917 dated guns have 2.4mm high digit serial numbers, as contemporary DWM made P08's " The 1916 dated Navy guns have 1.8mm high digit serial numbers.

Ron Wood 11-25-2020 08:13 PM

I wonder why "ShootStraightinc" thought it is Weimar era?
Ron

Norme 11-25-2020 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpbcps (Post 335201)
Also "the 1917 dated guns have 2.4mm high digit serial numbers, as contemporary DWM made P08's " The 1916 dated Navy guns have 1.8mm high digit serial numbers.

This is not accurate Richard. Despite what Dr Sturgess has written, 1917 Navies up to serial #1000n/s or so, had the earlier 1.8mm high serial numbers, all subsequent 1917's had the 2.4mm high numbers. The highest known small numbered 1917 is #989, the lowest known with large numbers is #1100.
Norm

rpbcps 11-26-2020 03:31 AM

Norm,
Thank you for that update, it is always good to add to my knowledge.

I'll add a 'post it note' to the relevant page of the 'Borchardt and Luger automatic pistols' for future reference.

Happy Thanksgiving


Richard

aldo35 11-30-2020 09:24 PM

Navy Luger
 
Lugerman04 just bought this for $2276! Some auction


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