Luger Lanyard on ebay
 

Item number: 2250215340 http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/c8_12_sb.jpg

I was wondering if anyone would notice this and Ron has come through! As many of you know I have been studying the Luger Lanyard for many years and started out my Luger holster repair business by making reproductions of it for those who could not find or afford an original.
This one is probably just what the seller says it is. One made by a private Saddler for someone who wanted a lanyard for his Luger.
It is miles away from the official Military issue lanyard issued to Stosstrup troops, Cavalry and motorcycle troops in WW1.
The round leather strap is similar but the attaching end differs greatly. It has no swivel. The wrapped leather loop is un necessarily cumbersome as is the buckle and strap. I notice the buckle strap has at least four adjusting holes...What for? The Military issue has one closing stud. That's all that is needed as there is no adjustment required.
The original Lanyards were quite dainty and slim at the swivel end, the instructions for use required the lanyard be attached to the pistol in the holster and it needed to fit inside the holster top flap when not worn. This required that it be small.
I have only seen a handfull of original Military lanyards in the U.S. over the last 10 years and as they are one of the least recognized Luger accoutrements(but very rare) they have all gone incredibly cheap. In fact they are so rare I can name almost every collector in the U.S. that owns one. And that would not take up all of my fingers.
I did not own an original untill this Spring when George Anderson was generous enough to offer me one of his. Thanks George...I owe you one.
Jerry Burney

Call me crazy but... as I understood it neither the German Navy nor the German Army ever adopted a standard issue lanyard. I thought they were all just private pieces or shoestrings???? I thought this was even mentioned somewhere on this site, possibly in "general info."? I dunno. --Tom.

I think that is one of those myths... But Jerry can correct me. I think they were not general issue, but that they did have lanyards for lugers.

Ed

In the e-bay post, the seller acknowledges that this is probably a private aquisition piece. Found in a leather shop in France.

Ron

Ed, Tom..It is true that the German Luger lanyard was issued to German troops. I have documentation from the Heerswaffenamt found in Germany. There were relatively few issued and the documentation I have does not state a number manufactured or issued. The lanyard is described and directions are given for it's use.
It's also true, since so few official lanyards made it to troops, that they employed whatever was handy to use as a makeshift lanyard, bread bag straps, string etc.
Private party lanyards were popular as well but they were not the standard issue. These were made up on an individual basis and can be any type of design.
The issue lanyard used a very slim round leather strap, a dainty brass swivel and a leather strap with stud closure to affix it to the lanyard ring on the Luger.The end with the swivel where the two ends of the round leather strap meet is woven into itself in a fascinating way. Slits are cut into the middle of the thin round strap and the ends are threaded back into itself. It looks small but the whole lanyard is very strong.

There are many issue lanyards in European collections but not here in the U.S. It has been overlooked here, I suspect, because people erronously believe they were not an issue item.

There were actually two different types used. The one used for Stosstrup troops was short enough to be worn around the neck to let the Luger hang at waist level. This was handy on the front when on raids into no mans land at night. One could snatch prisoners , throw grenades or whatever else was necessary without fear of losing one's pistol.

The other was the Cavalry lanyard. It was worn over the shoulder and attached to the pistol in the holster. Handy on horseback as the pistol could be easily retrieved if dropped.
I find them fascinating and very usefull at the range for controlling your Luger. I use the Stosstrup type when shooting as it is long enough to extend the shooting arm, yet the pistol is always handy and safe from being dropped onto the concrete apron or in the gravel. I have on many an occasion watched shooting partners drop weapons at the range and break grips or other parts. Since most of my shooting Lugers are pretty nice I guard against dropping them any way I can. Jerry Burney

If I am not mistaken, I believe one way a lanyard is worn by calvery is that it goes over the shoulder and there is a flap on the shoulder of the uniform with a button that secures the lanyard to the soldier.

Can't remember the name of that flap.

Does "epaulett" ring a bell?

I have a feeling that the truth about this lanyard is hidden within the long sleeve near the strap. I would bet it's an original that has lost the keeper and swivel. It's been pieced back together and the little belt strap added. Mind you, this is just my guess, but I wouldn't drop any big bucks on it.

Dean, Calvary is where Jesus died. Cavalry are horse mounted troops...Typo?

George..Quite possibly although the round leather looks to be in pretty good shape otherwise. Bulky and cumbersome way to make a lanyard. And with no swivel which is somewhat important. Jerry Burney

Yes, "Calvary" was a typo, just like Ron mistyped "epaulette".

In any case, I would like to know more about the history and origin of the lanyard & epaulette.

Searched the web, could not find anything substantial. Just some curious questions in my mind like: Were lanyards first used with swords? Were men on horseback the first to use lanyards?

I suspect epaulettes & lanyards were around long before firearms. The names seem to be French in origin, but that does not mean they were the first to use such things.

Dean, epaulette, like many military terms comes from french. Lanyard, according to Webster, is Middle English from Middle french.

The word describes several maritime devices used for securing stuff on sailing ships. Also used around the neck to secure whistles and knives. Military use with pistols is more modern.

I believe they were almost always used in a manner where the lanyard was secured around the neck outside of the collar much like the Fangenschnur of Tschapkas and Busbies.

I have seen breadbag straps used as lanyards by German troops and these were secured under the epaulette and around the shoulder.

"Fangenschnurr of Tschapkas and Busbies."

George, I just LOVE IT when you talk like that!

Tom A.

When I find out what that means...(as he frantically looks through his ancient German dictionary), I am probably going to wash out George's message post with soap! :D

The lanyard pictured, is the type that was advertised 30 years ago as Portugese. TH

John, a Fangenschnur is an aiguillette. I'll send you a photo of a Fangenschnur on a Tschapka.

Tom, I have spent the last ten years trying to establish what a Portugese lanyard looks like...I still don't know for sure. Jerry Burney

Tom, Do you by any chance have a copy of this advertisement or know the publication to find it?

By the way I like your new Lugerdoc emblem!

Thanks, Jerry Burney

Hello Jerry,

Please check your PM's when you have a moment...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Pete, Go for it! I quit. I have two already...Jerry

I just retured from a trip to Holland and if any members here want to see a great museum there is one just outside of Arnhem (not the Airborne museum in Oosterbeek). Its the Military Museum (Oorlogsmuseum) 40-45 Kemperbergerweg 780,6816 RX Arnhem. On display was a Luger that had a Lanyard, the first one I have seen and the museums owner told me it was used there during the German occupation. And yes I took a picture of it. Since this was a privite museum he had many items for sale and yes I did ask if he had an extra lanyard for sale but no I didn't get that lucky.
Bernie

Hi,

Thanks for the hint. I live in the Netherlands and never heard of that museum in Arnhem :)

Did the lanyard look anything like this?

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/lanyardsmall.jpg

Bernie, I would be very interested in any photo's of the lanyard you were able to get.

Please Email one to my personal address if you would be so kind.

Another interesting lanyard is Dutch issue. It was considerably different than the German and I have only seen them in photo's. I do not know of a U.S. or European collector who has one in his collection.

Gerben, Please tell me about this lanyard...Do you own it?
Could you send a photo to me?
This is purported to be the elusive Portugese lanyard. It is made like it has been discribed.
Where did you get it?
If you have any information about this I would dearly love to know...Thanks all for your participation in this very interesting subject, Jerry Burney

Hi Jerry,

This one was discussed earlier. It's 'most likely' (no official proof other than photographic) the standard lanyard used by the Dutch navy (K.M. or Koninklijke Marine).

It appears to be very close in style to the Portugese one. Remarkably, these are imprinted with 'made in england' on the strap.

What I think is that some German subcontractor made loops in this style for a number of foreign contracts, including the Dutch Navy and the Portugese. As they are quite fragile in design, I suppose another supplier based in the UK created these as substitutes.

They have the right patina and smell and I have no doubt these loops are over 50 years old.

These got on the Dutch market in a small quantity last year and I was able to get two of them. There are also versions reported that have a small leather sliding/connecting-piece.

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/dutchlugercord.jpg

Hey Pete! If your looking seriously at that pigskin holster on ebay... look closely at the right hand belt loop... looks to be replaced and attached in a non-standard fashion at the bottom...(what do you think Jerry??) cooled me off on the hunt!!...I think $350.00 is the top value for this holster... probably bring half again that! Rare and unusual maker for pig-skin though??... best of luck! til...lat'r...GT

Hello GT...

There was a "message thread running inside a message thread" here...

I was not participating in the landyard discussion but was away from home and needed to get Jerry's attention about our mutual bidding on a nice pigskin holster on e-Bay...

I did notice the replaced belt loop...and thought the bidding went too high...

Here is the item, in case other LF members were trying to figure out where the discussion was heading... :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2252379667&sspagename=STRK%3A MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

GT, Pete , I took a good look and it is the left belt loop that has been replaced (thin) and stitched in with the non German stitching. I would want to get a close look at the inside. This could adversly affect it's price for me. Good eye GT! I dropped out days ago because Pete mightive wanted to try for it and I have two already.

Gerben, I remember the thread now where these lanyards were discussed. I have examined one closeup and the swivel is not of a high quality. Very fragile as you say. Stamped sheet metal, twisted to shape.The Germans used small but strong brass wire, formed and silver soldered. The leather cording is similar to what is used here in the U.S. for "bolo ties" sold by the hundred yard spool to crafters. Cheap machine braided leather. Portugese lanyards were purported to have been made very similar to this in many ways. I have never come accross what I believe to be a genuine Portugese lanyard.

"What I think is that some German subcontractor made loops in this style for a number of foreign contracts, including the Dutch Navy and the Portugese"
This may very well be true although I believe it to be conjecture and perhaps at this late date there is no way to say for sure.
I have been looking for a Portugese lanyard for 10 years. This one is about as close as I have come...
The Dutch lanyard for the Infantryman was flat with no swivel. I have never heard of an issue lanyard for the Dutch Navy. This is a fascinating photo you have of this type of lanyard worn by a Dutch Sailor...Where did you get it? Is it published? Can you send me a copy to my personal Email? I appreciate your interest. I am putting together all information I can collect about lanyards.

Thanks Gerben, Jerry Burney

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Hi Jerry! I'm seem to have a little trouble with my left & right! :) Probably stems from my mothers incessent & unsuccessful efforts to make me right handed!! I meant the left one... Best to all! til...lat'r....GT

They took care of that problem for me in the Army! Your left! Your left! your left right left! March! Seemed to work. Anyway nice catch on the belt loop. I guess I missed it the first time around. Jerry

Hi Jerry,

The picture appeared in 'The Dutch Luger' by Martens & De Vries. We agree that Dutch lanyards used on Lugers fell into two distinctive categories, same goes for the holsters.

On one hand, there are the KNIL versions, quite particular in design.
On the other hand, there are the Dutch Navy versions, quite similar to standard German equipment, although the first batch of Dutch Navy holsters were put together in a very, very shabby way. Several photographs of Dutch Navy staff wearing these typical lanyards exist.

Very undeniably, the specimens I own were made in the UK. Don't think Germans would stamp 'Made in England' on them... :)

I'll mail you the photo material I have.

Gerben,Bernie, Thanks very much for the photo's you Emailed to me. This will help no end with the research I am collecting.

If any of the members have anything to add I would love to hear it. Thanks. Jerry