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Hi Bill,

Nice one! I got my project parabellum today as well. Here's the image.

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/0673small.jpg

A nice opportunity to compare packaging and other details.

Thanks for your response and picture. What year was yours made?? Your box say Mauser Werke, while mine says Interarms, and my cleaning rod does not have a bore brush. Also, what caliber is yours? and is it NIB.

Hello guys,
well done. Very beautiful Mauser Parabellum.
I have few Mauser Commemoratives and I am very proud of them (look at my web site to see my LP08 commemorative).
I suggest to move this topic under post WWII.
Ciao
Mauro

BB, The Mauser Parabellums not destine for the US market will not say Interarms. They will also usually also have proofs of the Oberdorf proof house rather than the inhouse Mauser proofing and sometime will be in a box with Green printing, rather than the usual blue. TH

Hi Bill,

Although mine has most hallmarks of the 06/73 version it was proofed in 1972 and is one of the early hybrid versions in 7.65mm calibre. Serial number 10.0004187, 4187 being mentioned on the warranty seal and both sides of the box.

Funnily enough it came with a 9mm manual and a green rather than blue Mauser warranty seal.

Since this gun was destined for the German market, it has a German box and warranty seal.

Proof is a 1972 ('72') Ulm staghorn proofhouse code on the frame above the takedown lever, with the eagle/N postwar German fire proof on frame, receiver and barrel. After 1973 they switched to letter date codes. I'm curious how and where yours was proofed.

The barrel has the ".30 luger" designation on top (surprisingly not 7.65 as is common in Germany).

This gun has spent almost 25 years in it's box and was sold and used in the late nineties.

Hello alls ,mine is also proofed 72 for 1972 and number 10.0003260 it seems same than G.van Vlimmeren .I bought it without the box ,lost by the previous owner

my markings are as follows: 9mm Luger on top of barrel;followed by a small mauser banner with letters FBM in the mauser banner symbol; American Eagle symbol on front of receiver and "original" in script on top of Mauser banner on toggle.
right side of frame has serial #11.013728 on lower receiver and same on top part of slide along with a starburst symbol and "INTERARMS"
"ALEXANDRIA,VIRGINIA".
left side has same mauser banner symbol with letters FBM in the symbol
MADE IN GERMANY on back of receiver
MAUSER-WERKE A.G.Oberndorf a.N. on front of grip handle.
these are all the marks i can see without taking it apart. there are no numbers indicating year.

Hi,

FBM probably stands for 'Freiwilliger Beschuss' and 'Vorbeschuss' and means that this gun needed no proofing according to German laws (as it was an export piece), but that it was offered for testfiring voluntarily by Mauser.

These marks can also be found separately in the following forms:

Eagle/FB (Freiwilliger Beschuss -- Voluntary testfiring)
Eagle/M (Vorbeschuss -- Tested before finishing)

Guns destined for the German/European market had the German Eagle/N (Nitro Beschuss -- Nitro proof) mark.

thanks very much for your fast responce.
The gun looks like it was never fired, except for the original target from the factory.
But I do not buy my guns just to look at. This beauty will be at the range shortly, along with my 2 artillery, a Stoeger stainless steel and my other navy luger. I like to shoot all my guns.
That is what they were made for.

Hello guys,
Only to clarify a point that maybe is not clear to all.

The .30 Luger Parabellum has serial numbers starting with 10. the 9mm Para has serial numbers starting with 11.
I hope this helps.
Ciao

Hi Mauro,

John Walter also stated that 'official' production began at 10.0001001 and 11.0001001. Is there any later info on total Mauser postwar production?

I believe production was never more than some 25,000 pieces?

This creates some intrigueing questions. A total number of approx. 5,070 7.65mm lugers is mentioned by 1985.

My 7,65 has number 4,187 and was produced in 1972. and that leaves some 2,000 pieces between 1972 and 1985...

Annual output must've been quite low.

I know a gunstore that has two of those for sale. Brand new and in the same styrofoam cutout box. The owner took them in a trade years ago and they have been sitting in his glass case ever since. I had him get one out to let me hold it one day and it definitely had the "brand new" look and feel. One is in 9mm and one in .30.

I never really considered buying one or both because I had no real idea what value was. What would one of these typically go for today?

Thanks,

Gregg

Hi Gregg,

The plain ones (so not the 'limited production' ones) should fetch prices along the line of good shooter-grade lugers.

I purchased one for about the same price as a refurbished 1937 S/42.

I'd say some 600 - 700 USD or 1000 - 1200 EUR.

Gerben,
I have a .30luger Mauser Parabellum numbered 56xx made in 1986. Your estimation is quite correct. An average of about 100 pistols per year in the 1972-1986 epoch.
A very limited production so a good investment.
Ciao
Mauro

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by tulsamal:
<strong>I know a gunstore that has two of those for sale. Brand new and in the same styrofoam cutout box. The owner took them in a trade years ago and they have been sitting in his glass case ever since. I had him get one out to let me hold it one day and it definitely had the "brand new" look and feel. One is in 9mm and one in .30.

I never really considered buying one or both because I had no real idea what value was. What would one of these typically go for today?

Thanks,

Gregg</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Gregg:

I'd like to buy both of them from him. Any chance?

Sieger

Hi!

Mine is in the same white / green cardboard box with styrofoam inside. Serial Number is 14602, with 11 before for 9 mm. Barrel is 4". Gun is new. On box it says "Original Mauser Parabellum" and nothing else on the right lower side on top!

Test target and blue booklet included. There is a mistake in the order of disassembling: on p 22 lower instructions belong on page 20, lower place.

Gun ( with that &%�§*' grip safety ) with two mags, both stamped with Mauser ton on backside, one with imitation wooden bottom.

Cleaning rod and tool were missing, will buy them from CDS, Germany.

Could somebody please tell me, if its possible for me to remove the grip safety, without permanently altering gun?

Would like to buy the same gun, either in 9 mm, with 6" bbl, or in 7,65 with 4 3/4" barrel, even if I have to spend more than â?¬ 415...

Good shooting, Hermann

Hi Hermann,

You can opt to remove the smalll leafspring in the frame that pushes the grip safety outwards.

This spring is very tight when new and needs a lot of use to soften up. I replaced the spring on a 1906-model some time ago and it took a few weeks to get it softened up.

So feel comfortable that it will get better when in use.

Hello all,

Brand new member here - first post. I just bought my first Luger (Mauser Parabellum) at a gun show two weeks ago. It's in excellent condition with all of the accessories, but no original box. I haven't fired it yet, but am looking forward to it. It's an Interarms model ser. #11. 006844. Any one know the date of manufacture?

Hello Mike Burley... Welcome to the Lugerforum.

The answer to your question can be found in this thread:

http://forums.lugerforum.com/cgi-bin...;f=12;t=000086

There is a forum search function at the top of the page for your convenience in locating information that might have been asked previously...

I know that you will find owning and shooting your Parabellum Mauser a real pleasure...

Enjoy.

Mike Burley,

Welcome to our forum! Where in Oregon do you live? Several of us on the forum live in the state. What show did you find your gun at? I have not seen one at the shows in Portland.

If you are interested in finding out about the Mausers, get a copy of The Mauser Parabellum by Francis Allan. Tom Heller sometimes has copies for sale. He is listed in the Links and Resources at the left. His are cheaper than ones I have found on the web.

My Mauser is .30cal but my 9mm guns all like the S&B ammo that is sold at the gunshows. The last show in Portland had it for $4.50/50. Cheap and very good!

Steve

Hi Tac,

The Mauser Parabellums were proofed by the Ulm proofhouse, thus have the staghorn mark.

We have observed that Mauser Parabellums, proofed until 1972 indeed have the 2 last digits of the year and those proofed from 1973 onwards have letter-coded dates.

It appears that the Walther target pistols, having staghorn stamps, are proofed by the Ulm proof house as well.

Do they have date-letters (A-J combinations) or date-digits (75 - 97)?

I still have several new copies of "The Mauser Parabellum" book available @$30 each postpaid. Also have Kenyon's "Lugers at Random" @$60 and a close out special on Datig's luger books, "The German Military Pistols 1904-1930" or "The Swiss Variations 1897-1947" @$15 each or both for $25. Additional postage require for none US orders. Tom Heller POB 398 St.Charles, MO. 63302.

My Luger has the Mauser FBM proof mark, so I assume there is no way to date it precisly? I bought it at the Portland gun show at the Expo Center Sept. 12. Two dealers had Lugers for sale. The dealer I bought from also had a Stoeger Navy in stainless. I bought a box of Winchester (USA) ammo for it. I will look for some S&B at the next gun show in Canby. I live in Wilsonville.

Mike

Mike you should also find the Winchester ammo to be satisfactory... many swear by it for reliability... you can buy it in a bulk pack of 100 rounds at walmart for about $11.00 or less.

Regarding the year your gun was produced, the thread I mentioned had this information:

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Originally posted by mauro:
the production date is stamped on the frame left side. Usually close to the Ulm acceptance mark there are two digit or two letter. If you have two digits, they represents the last two digits of the year, for example (73 for 1973). At a certain point of the production, Mauser started to use two characters instead of digits. In this case you have to apply the following rule: A=0, B=1, C=2 .. For example HI, it means 78.

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So what numbers or letters appear on the left front of your frame?

Hi Gregg,

The folks at Simpson LTD usually have a few for sale. Private party sales between USA collectors will probably be a $ 100-150 less in cost...

Here is their web site link :

http://www.simpsonltd.com/LugerRoom/...rms_lugers.htm

Regards,

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JS-

I have one box of the Winchester 115 gr. fmj ammo. I'll have to check out Walmart. Thanks for the tip. $$$

Mauro's thread goes on to say that the letters or numbers next to the Ulm proofmark only appear on non export Lugers. Interarms imports simply have a Mauser "FBM" proof mark on the frame above the take down latch. It seems there ought to be a way to determine the guns vintage by its serial number.(?) What year did production start on the Mauser Parabellum?

Mike

Not all of the re-intros followed to 10.xxxx or 11.xxx serial number format. I think this format was sued for those intended for the US market. I have one intended for the Italian market that has a totally different style of serial number.

I also have #19 from the proto type production run of 50 pieces. The full production run starts at #51. There was a modification i nthe receiver ring going from #50 to #51.

Hello,
Concerning the serial number it is important to clarify some points:
1. the commercial numbering is 10.xxxxxx for the .30 Luger and 11.xxxxxx for the 9mm
2. the commemorative numbering is â??lettersâ?�001 von 250 up to â??lettersâ?�250 von 250. The letter is unique for each commemorative, for example: B for the Bulgarian, LP for Lange Pistole, K for Karabine and so on.
3. The special contract, as the Renato Gamba Italian model, has RG plus digit.
4. Only for the Italian market, in this case for the Bignami importer, Mauser made few LP08s in .30 luger that have the commercial number: 10.00xxxx
The serial number of these rare models ranges in the 10.0055xx ... 10.0056xx

Unspellable please can post some photos of the prototype you mention. Thank you.

Ciao
Mauro