Fake artillery won't be on e-bay long!
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=740185515

this Artillery is a 1917 S/42! Didn't know they made them, won't be on e-bay long, since you aren't supposed to sell guns, and it is already at $1,500!

And he ships worldwide ! By the look of it it's been refinished. Is this a parts gun or just had the toggle swapped, I wonder ?

I wondered too.

Also, something interesting, that the power of the web, and esp the forum, when I posted this, it had been looked at 86 times and in less than an hour, had been looked at 101 times, will be interesting to see if and how quick e-bay pulls it?

i already notified the seller that eBay will pull his auction when they find it... and warned him of the laws he is borderline close to breaking.

I am sure it is a parts gun and has been refinished. Obviously not a guy who deals in firearms... He will be lucky to stay out of jail if he ships it to a non-license holder...

The holster looks like something made by leathercraft store neophyte... and the stock looks like a modern repro...

It certainly isn't worth what the eBay bidding frenzy has pushed it to.

Borrowing a line from an old Tim-Buk-3 song :


" That luger is so bright,
you gotta wear shades...! "

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

More to come. I bid on it (non-binding, but he doesn't seem to realize that) in order to establish contact with the guy. He e-mailed back offering it for $2,500 outright. Clearly, he wants to get it off his hands before they shut him down.

I replied with a list of questions for him, asking him to get back to me, especially regarding the curious issue of the S/42 marking. I also asked him about the rest of the rig, what is there and what isn't. He responded back with gibberish, at which point I e-mailed him back and told him esentially what John did, and added that even amateur Luger afficionados would spot the thing as a fake, and report him.

No reply yet. He'll probably e-mail me back to see if I'll take it for $2,000. The sheen on the holster and that garish strawing alone are dead giveaways. Still, I am betting someone buys it. I noticed the guy who had bid before me was largely responsible for bidding up several artilleries on Gun Broker a few months ago.

Makes me wonder if these guys are a bunch of bid shillers, working together.

Mark,

There is an auction seller that goes by the name "Top Ray". I have tried to buy several of his items (5 times to be exact) and every time, within the last hour, a new buyer named "Dorothy 1" pops in with last minute bidding frenzy...I just quit when I see her join...usually she drives up the auction price by 25%...

I think lots of teams "work" the auctions...

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

that kind of thing should be reported to the auction house.

Russ [img]frown.gif[/img] [img]frown.gif[/img]

I think these "teams" are the same person with different auction names or friends working in tandem...

Auctions are great in some ways, horrible in others !

You get to see a bunch of things you might never have known exisited, but I think they're driving the price of 'ordinary' things up.

As for the team approach; I suspect the auction sites will deal with them when they cause trouble and you can prove something, but provided they are getting their auction fees may may need some prodding.

I suppose you've just got to decide what you're prepared to bid and not get carried away !

The fellow with the artillery on EBAY replied. Here is what he sent me. Priceless:

"The Luger is 1917 and the entire gun is original to that year except for the top back piece that you can pull back, which says S/42. As I 've been told by experts, apparently in WWII that part was changed for some reason. When you look at the pistol it looks entirely homogeneous and as one. When I purchased the set at a military show in 1995 ( Iwas one of the first people there ), many
collectors who saw me later at the show offered me twice the money I had just paid for it, but I wouldn't sell it. There is no pitting, it has a gorgeous brilliant black blue surface, but the look and feel that it has been used. It also has some gold embellishments. They are gorgeous pieces. You can reach me tomorrow on my cell 917-520-8977 or at 718-399-9053. Over 20 people have
contacted me already! I am also offering a piece owned by Adolf Hitler on eBay also.


I guess we can now reopen the debate over Hitler's memorabilia once this new "piece" (whatever it is) surfaces!

That is something.

A little bit of knowledge sometimes goes a loooong ways. Someone told him, that they refinished Lugers in WW2 and he assumes it makes it pristine.

It would be a fun gun for less than, what $800 or so? [img]smile.gif[/img]

What is the gold embellishments? That is okay, I don't want to know! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

"many collectors who saw me later at the show offered me twice the money I had just paid for it, but I wouldn't sell it"

Huahuahua!
I read from this that no one offered him more than 200 bucks!

Once he starts to offer his Hitler piece on ebay, would someone please post the photo here ?
Can't open any ads for guns as ebay blocks them for Germans.
Thanks,
Juergen

Jeurgen,

Try this trick...and let us know if it really works... another member posted this recently...

In your windows setup, you probably told your operating system that you are located in Germany and in that time zone...

change it to the Eastern United States and see if that makes a difference in what you can see on eBay...

I believe this setting is what filters out what you can and cannot see...

The seller of the artillery rig on EBAY has now posted his original Hitler item--a book (incidentally, the artillery rig it is still on there, incredibly, and is bid up to $2,025--either EBAY is getting sloppier, or they are hypnotized watching the price go up, up, up). Here is the description of his Hitler book:


"This is the original 1935 printing of Adolf Hitler Bilder Aus Dem Leben Des Fuhrers. It is 12 X 9 1/2 X 1 1/4 inches, 131 pages with over 145 actual photo plates. The pictures are stunning. It was printed in September 1935 in Hamburg Germany. Payments will be made to Eric Edwards by Money order, cashiers check, Paypal, Bidpay, or EBaypayment. Buyer pays shipping, and insurance. International shipping will be more, will ship worldwide. Returns will be direct to Eric Edwards for full refund within 30 days. Items are guaranteed to be as stated."

Go into sellers other items and you can see the Hitler piece offered.

I can't believe it's still going; nobody can have reported it yet !

I'm concerned about his offer to ship worldwide and there being no reference to an FFL; someone could get burned on this, big time......

Stu,

In a way, it is worse than it seems. It has been reported, and they are still "investigating" it. If they haven't been able to sort this out yet, they are either incompetent or not trying. He has violated a dozen of their policies, and has been up for days. Based on my e-mails back and forth, I suspect he knows exactly what he is doing.

Someone will get burned. I recognize the high bidder's name as someone who has purchased German C&R firearms on Gun Broker in the past, and I have to assume he knows what he is getting into, but apparently he wants this "rig."

There is also a Luger Frame on right now.

Since I watch items a lot on e-bay, I am surprised at their response. They booted me off in less than a day for not saying a pistol magazine was less than 10 rounds.

I bet they rely on college kids and they are gone for Thanksgiving Holiday Week, so no one to watch the store [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

You know what, I think Ed hit it right on the nose. Now, will it sell before their gremlins come back weary-eyed and bloated from eating too much turkey?

Gentlemen, take note, in neither his Ebay description nor his personal note&lt; above, does he state that the pistol is functional. Review the last sentence of his Ebay posting. He guarantees it as stated. On a further note, the Ebay watchers are unpaid thought police. I was blasted off Ebay for thirty days for offering a WWII Kriegsmarine dagger which I displayed with the Hakenkreuz unseen. Last week they prominently featured a whole slew of Nazi stuff offered through their sister company Sotheby's NY. In each the swastika was prominently visible.

The Ebay nazis are just like all liberals, west coast thought fascist, socialists and neocommunists; double standards.

And have a nice day.

It doesn't matter, but I am posititve that this seller first had some kind of cup or goblet that he called Hitlers? Had a card with it that was a place setting card that had ole Adolphs name.

I happened to look after he posted the arty, and now there is no record of it, so did E-Bay pull it but not the Arty???

Too weird&gt;

George makes an interesting point about ebay's operations, but with reference to the artillery, this is their stated policy about listing guns;

"Firearms: Firearms cannot be listed on eBay's core or storefront sites. Firearms include all "pre-ban," sporting, collectible, curio & relic (C&R), and antique firearms, regardless of their capability to fire a shot. Any item that is designed to propel a metal (or similar) projectile is covered by this ban, regardless of that item's present ability to fire."

So, functional or not, it shouldn't be on there. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the restriction should be there to start with, but they need to be consistent.

Exactly, and I was operating under the assumption that they continue to prohibit listings of firearms, functional or not. They are asleep at the switch. The funny thing is that they acknowledged having received multiple complaints about the item, but claim that they are still investigating. Good grief, what investigating do they need to do?

As for their policy, don't get me started. They are based in Marin County, CA, which tells you everything you need to know.

Ebay is what I said it is...their European sites offer muzzle loaders all the time. I have seen nonfunctioning fullautos on the American site frequently. They are just a bunch of paranoid yet litigation conscious freaking west coast liberals.

I live in Alaska and Ebay blocked all National Socialist items I tried to view. I received the usual "..your government etc.." message. I wrote and asked what Alaskan legislation required blocking.

The problem was I specified English and German in the preferred languages section of the browser. Removing German stopped the blocking.

So this is something we have talked about and wondered about. The browser talks to the e-bay server, the server must ask what the langauge setting is and blocks France, Germany and others that don't like Nazi items. So, I would imagine that chaing your setting to American English would allow this. I could test this if I was still overseas, but I'm not [img]biggrin.gif[/img] .

So, if you are overseas and have been blocked, download Netscape and IE Explorer and use one for e-bay and the other for your own language???