Luger Carbine
 

I finally got back to working on the carbine and could not find a barrel that was up to the standards I wanted. So I now have a 9MM barrel blank and am in the process of making a barrel. I need some help as I have not found a picture or drawing that gives me the details I need. So if there are any of you that have a good picture or drawing of a carbine barrel that you could share with me it would be appreciated. I would need to know the length of the barr :confused: el if it is a picture so I could interpolate the other dimns. Thanks in advance for the help and hope to have pictures of the finished piece here on the forum when finished. It has become quite a project and makes me admire the German craftsmen of that time even more.
Neil Keller

I will see what I can find but am cut off from my library at the moment. The tricky part is not making the barrel, it is making the foreend hanger. If you can do that and get the foreend fitted, the barrel is mostly simple lathe work.

Jim

I think Don Hamilton has some original drawings of the Carbine including the frame extention, I will check with him!

I have several drawings (blue Prints) for a carbine that include the stock and stock iron,butt plate,forearm,front sight and barrel,cleaning rod(grease barrel type),forearm attachments, and stock sling swivels.Also have the checkering patterns for the stock and forearm. I think this will help. I remember that I looked high and low for this info. before I found it. It would be nice to get it all posted on the forum for everyone's use but I'm not computer smart enough to do it.Why don't I fax it to you free of charge in return you get it on the forum somehow for everyone? Thanks Don

Thanks For all the replys. Don the fax number is 260 728 2153 and if any body else is interested I'll get them on the web. As far as the front hanger I plan to tig weld it as well as any other pts vs silver solder. I realize that the barrel is a (simple?) lathe job but I want it as correct as possible. Almost to the point of regestering it as a short barrel rifle, but probably go to the 16 1/2 route. As I look at it the real challenges are the small parts as the front and real sights. Then of course the stock and forarm. Thaks to all for the help
Neil

Neil, I have been excited about this project (I heard about it at least a year ago) since then. Any chance you might make a few of these! I am sure folks that cant afford an original would love to have one.

Hub the reason I got these prints is so that my father who builds custom hunting rifles could build me s stock for my 1920 long barrel. Maybe I could get Ted to post a pics. of it sometime soon.I just sent the fax. If they didn't come through alright let me know and I will send them to you. Don

Thor, As far as building more than one I would like to get a little farther along with this one. But, it sure would not hurt to put a Luger back that has the stock lug and a receiever that is in decent shape. I had thought about making a few of each part as I processed just for that perpose. Of course I still have to keep my present customers happy while bilding the carbine. And I thought semi-retirement gave many extra leisure hours.
Neil

Don H.

Fax quality wouldn't do the prints justice to be posted on the Lugerforum website, but if you can make me a good photocopy and snail mail it to me I will hi-resolution scan them and post the prints in a Member Gallery album for all to be able to see and download.

I will send you a private message with my snail mail address if that is okay?

Don,
got the prints and they will be a great help, Thanks again

Hub what did you think of the stock? As you can see from the prints there is also a diagram of the butt plate. My father took a piece of black ebony and glued it to the stock then worked it down. After that he cut the lines in it according to the prints then drilled two holes and put two counter sunk screws in it. You wouldn't know by looking that it wasn't a real butt plate. The picture doesn't show it to good. Thought this might help if you're going to make one. Don

Don, I did not get the picture but the prints wil help. You Father must be a real craftsman when it come to wood working. Would he be interested in a Luger project?

Hub I could ask him. I remember him having a hard time with mine. Fitting the stock iron was the real pain. I will let you know. Don

Hub go to Thor's post about seven back and click on Carbine Stock Pic.

Hello Hub,
I have a couple of carbines; a 1902 in 9mm and a 1920 in 9mm. Maybe I can help with pics and measurements.

Daniel,
I sure would appricate the photos especially of the barrel and rear sight. If you could contact me at kellers@mchsi.com with a phone # I would call and we could disuss the pictures. Thanks
Neil

Update???
 

Does anyone [coff*John?*coff] know what happened to the blueprints being posted??? Does anyone [Hub, Don H., John Sabato] have the prints??? :confused:

We seem to have progressed to the point where 3 or 4 of the members here have the tooling and ability to do a carbine...Maybe even already have... :rolleyes:

But prints/drawings/measurements would be a great help... :thumbup:

I never received the prints let me check with Don and find out if they're still available.

Carbine
 

Hi John, I too would love to have the prints. I'm in the beginning of a carbine build. Thanks

You must have piqued Don H's interest...He hasn't posted since 2005, but he was on-site today... :D

Hello Don! :bigbye:

I just finished scanning the prints. It took me awhile to find them, after looking at the old posts it's only been ten years. Nothing like putting things off! My problem now is how to post them on this Forum. If I can send them to someone's email and they post them that would be great. I was going to highlight some of the faded lines with a straight edge before scanning them but I just don't have the time. I figured who ever needs them can do that. My email is dhamilton09@comcast.net so who ever wants them just email me. Thanks

Thanks Don. Email is on the way. I will get back in touch with Neil and tell him he won't have to snail mail them!


I did get in touch with Neil, and here is his reply:

Carbine
 

I sent John the pictures of the finished carbine to post for me.

Don's prints have been emailed to Ed Tinker... so he can make them available for download. I don't have the ability to post something that large (5mb) from my present location. I am sure Ed will take care of it as soon as he can.

Thanks all.

John, It might take some time but would be nice if someone could freshen them up with a straight edge an pencil before posting them. That's what I was planning on doing but could never find the time. Thanks Don

Perhaps one of the members can download what you sent, formalize and upgrade them using AutoSketch or some other CAD program and send them back to me to upgrade the download.

Surely one of the members who has nothing else to do (like *coff* Sheepherder *coff*) can accomplish this! :D

I transferred the files to JPG, as it was too big to post; I am sure I lost resolution, if anyone wants them at how I received them, send me an email to ed_tinker@hotmail.com

they are around 5 mb's for the pdf file

Ed

Finished Photos of Hub's Carbine... just received!
 

Enjoy!

A big Thank You! to Don H, Hub, Ed, & John for resurrecting these treasures!!! :thumbup:

I would suggest that they be 'stickied' with appropriate thanks to the creators! :)

Edit: Hubs carbine is bee-yoo-tee-full!!! Hub seems to have mastered 'strawing'!!! :D

Sadly, 'sheepherder' does his mechanical drawing freehand, with a #2 pencil, on the backs of junk mail envelopes that he saves because he's too cheap to buy ruled notebook paper, much less vellum... :(

I don't have any computer programs for drawing, like Autocad...IIRC, Autocad costs hundreds of dollars...Maybe $1K by now...

Rich , The last full version of Autocad that I have (released in the year 2000) sold for $3400.00...

I haven't even installed it in years. It takes lots of space. I used Autocad professionally for over 14 years... but that was LAST century...

There are some very capable drawing programs available today that are shareware... spend some time with them and you will never pick up your #2 pencil again unless it is to make a grocery list.

I make CAD drawings on a fairly regular basis, and I use a program called DeltaCAD ( http://www.deltacad.com/ ). It is very intuitive and easy to use, almost like MS Paint on steroids. I have used AutoCAD as well, but you almost have to work full time with it to learn and remember how it works. It has so many features that you can't even find the ones you need sometimes. DeltaCAD sure has it's limitations, but it's very easy to pick up and use at any time. It can export and import .dwg and .dxf, so it's compatible with the "big boys" as well.

... :eek: ...

I make 99% of my 'drawings' on the fly; on envelopes, as I said...Sometimes a sheet of used copier paper... :rolleyes:

I had a drawing board and T-square in my closet, up until my last divorce...When a lot of my things mysteriously disappeared...Curiously, my triangles, protractors, & French curves are still here... :confused:

A T-Square makes a good club. Maybe you dodged something there.

She was a nurse. Wouldn't have left a mark. ;):rolleyes::D

One good thing about CAD drawings is that you won't lose the drawing, it can be saved in pristine condition and printed out every time you need a copy in the shop. I used to have notebooks in the shop, where I jotted down sketches and dimensions for future use. It works, but afterwhile they tend to get tattered and soaked in oil and cutting fluid, and some may simply get lost.

I found that it was actually easier to use CAD, as it can do a lot of the math you use when drawing and fabricating parts (finding center lines, radii, diameters of roundovers, divisions etc.). It will also show if you made a mistake when you measured intermediate dimensions, as the overall dimensions won't match, lines won't meet etc.

Nowadays I sketch the part and go directly to the PC to make a CAD drawing. It may sound like overkill for one-off jobs, but sobebody else might need it and it sure saves a lot of time if you one day have to make another part just like it.

Has anyone converted the drawings into CAD? I have a copy of 2013 autocad if someone needs it. I don't know how to use the thing.

I can provide exact measurements if need! ~~Eric

Hi I need the measurements if the rear sight ass. Thanks

Total toggle length is 4.5 inches! If you need more just ask! ~Eric