My Luger
 

Hi all,
Well I finally got my digital camera! Now I'm gonna try to post photos of my Luger! I hope this works!

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/MyLugerpic1.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/MyLugerpic2.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/MyLugerToggle.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/MyLuger3-1.jpg


It may not be the best looking Luger, but it's mine!

Brandon... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Brandon, your picture did indeed load but you didn't crop the image and somehow ended up with a massive border. I've taken the liberty of cropping and enhancing your pic, which is quite good, just a little.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/MyLuger3-1.jpg

Doubs, I e-mailed Brandon, (nice cropping of his picture), I think that he just made the picture smaller, but not the image (frame), so it kept its size after he shrunk it down. He'll play around and get the hang of it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Brandon's picture is actually very good and I'd like to hear about the camera he bought. It appears to take very high-quality images.

Hello Brandon,

Welcome to the digital age...now you need to get a scanner and you'll be set...

By the way, you owe us more photos of your first luger. No fair with that close-up, teaser photo...! [img]wink.gif[/img]

p.s. I'll keep an eye out for a 1914 Erfurt P-08 at Tulsa for you...will contact you if I see one...

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Ok, so I finally figured out how to do it!

Walker, My camera is a Nikon CoolPix 4500, It's a great little camera! Right now there is even a $50.00 mail-in rebate offer on it! I've only had the camera for two days and already I'm taking some pretty good pictures! I would highly reccomend it to anyone in the market for a digital!!!

Pete,
Well there you have it, My Luger! Also, I have a scanner I just don't have a port to plug it into (Odd, I know)!!! Be sure to have fun at Tulsa, and if you can take some pics!

Regards, Brandon

Brandon, nice looking Luger!! Congratulations!!! I'm sure there is another one out there with your name on it!!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Anyone care to estimate value?

I'm not gonna reveal what I paid untill I find out if I was burnt or not....he he he

Brandon... [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

P.S. The mag is non matching

Brandon, what is the letter suffix of the serial number? Most important! Nice pix

Ted,
It is a no suffix pistol.

Best Regards,Brandon

I am guessing a gift! If not, perhaps $850 as I BET you got a good deal on a good pistol! I bet it is worth at least $1200 if matched.

Brandon, nice Mauser for your first one, a lot better than mine, which was also my first. Good pictures too, I have the Nikon Coolpix 775 and love that little sucker! You asked for an estimate of value, here goes, since it is refinished and thereby automatically becomes a shooter, damn, I hate that word, refinished, refurbished or reblued is my preference, I would go about $500 on it, but I am jaded as I already have one, refinished many times as it is the one I experiment on. Davis's Luger Handbook goes up to $875 for one in good (refinished) condition. I'll take a guess that you got it for about $350? Close?

Ted,
$1200.00? You can't be serious!!!

My Dad gave me the money to buy it for Christmas, I just didn't let it burn a hole in my pocket, then In Feb. I found the Luger at a gun show for $650.00!

If it's worth TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARS I won't be able to sleep tonite!!!

Brandon...

Herb,
Oh Boy, I kinda thought this might be coming! I've said before "It might as well have been bought in the dark"! Well Kids, This is the price you pay for not doing your homework before buying!

Oh well, If it weren't for that Luger I wouldn't have found the forum, so it was worth it!

Brandon...

I sure didnt see where he said it was REFINISHED???? That sure changes things! A NO SUFFIX 1937 S/42 would be correctly Salt blued with salt blued parts, Variation 2 1500t-400b serial range (TRL-JS). If it was mentioned somewhere that it was refinished I suppose I would say $500-$600 but it sure looks okay to me. The extractor appears to be plum colored which IS SOMETIMES correct for salt blued Mausers.

Ted,
Hmmmmm.....I don't know what to say... The photos have bright spots in them because they were taken last night and the flash was on! So I'm planning a re-take sometime tomorrow with natural lighting!

Since I have no idea if it's refinished or not, maybe the better pics can help determine!!!

FINGERS CROSSED, Brandon

P.S. the extractor is very much plum colored!

Do the parts have matching two digit numbers including firing pin (vented type) and hold open device? Is the muzzle tarnished or blued? Take it out in the sunlight, does the finish look brownish or spotty? What condition is the bore? Does the barrel have the barrel gauge on the bottom of it? Is the interior of the reciever blued or white? The S/42 appears to be "haloed" which looks correct to me. I guess I better get back to this Artillery Luger I am doing for Mark.

Brandon, send me a couple of larger pcitures and I will post them on the forum via a link bac to my ISP server and people can judge for ya! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thor, your response shocked me! take a look at all of those nicely blued strawed parts! Usually only found on a refininshed Luger. Perhaps my computer is depicting incorrect coloring but they sure looked blue to me.

Herb,
According to the charts in Still's Third Reich Lugers, my gun is supposed to have blued small parts.

Regards,Brandon

Herb, read my previous reply, it is SUPPOSED to have blued parts, it is a VARIATION 2, after 1500t block they were BLUED DUDE! Hence my question about the SUFFIX to determine whether it should have strawed or blued parts. That is the fun thing about 37s, they were made with both depending on production block!

Brandon, I was using The Luger Handbook by Aaron Davis, 1997, he says that the ejector, magazine catch, takedown lever, safety lever, and the trigger ARE straw colored. Further, Kenyon, on page 171 of his book Luger: The Multi-national Pistol has a color picture of one # 3179 showing the strawed parts very clearly. Perhaps he did not consult with Jan Still before publishing his book.
At any rate, it is still worth much more than you paid, and a really good looking one to boot.

Davis book is wrong regarding straw parts, heck he even says Black Widows have strawed parts! But like Ralph says, "What do you expect for $10?" lol The MultiNational Pistol photo does not say when the Luger was made. Prior to Mid 1937 would be my guess as it is also clearly Rust blued with fire blued grip screws too. After mid 1937 they blued EVERYTHING but the grips in salt bluing.

Ted, I can't argue with the $10 bucks, but what about Kenyon? Score is still two to one.

Herb, can you assume from the Kenyon picture that all Mausers had strawed parts? There is no chamber date shown, no serial suffix, there is little you can determine from this picture except that it is a rust blued/straw parts Luger. How can you even tell what variation it is? It does not have the MAuser bump so I would guess it is a G Date or 1936 or perhaps a K date. The telling thing about this photo is IT HAS NO MAUSER BUMP.

Just found something else, Kenyon's Lugers At Random, pg 266 indicates that in mid 37 the blueing process was changed from rust blue to salt blue and included the usually strawed parts. Apparently ther are both types out there, Brandon, you might just have the later 37 model that DOES have the normally strawed parts blued. Too many references, too little time and too many descrepancies. I hope that this is the case, I havent ran a serial number check to see which range yours falls into, but then do you really want to know?

Based on his serial suffix (NS or no suffix block) his variation is correct with salt blued parts and salt blued finish, or perhaps Jan Still is not the most current date. I believe our resident expert is Bill Munis on Mauser Lugers. I think he will confirm what I have stated so far.

Herb, have a good evening, I am going to the store now!

I hope your asessment is correct, if so our friend Brandon is holding an S/42 that is worth about $2500 to a serious collector as it appears to be in excellent condition, about $3,000 if the mag matched. Maybe Simpson is around and can lend some better info as a person dealing in them. Again, it is still a darn good purchase, not a whole lot of them to be had.

Herb, it still could be a reblue but you never know, but most modern reblues are salt blues anyway which would have matched the original configuration of his gun anyway. Based on the price he paid it probably is a reblue, or perhaps has a mismatched part. All I was saying is you cannot assume it is a refinish JUST because it doesnt have strawed parts. MOST Mauser Lugers didnt have strawed parts.

Darn you Ted! Now I'm going to have to blue all those parts that I strawed on my 37 S/42!! What the heck, nothing matches on it anyway, I just might chrome them for the fun of it. LOL.

or fire blue them......naw.......that was Mr Spuhrs trick! Actually I have a 1937 in the "u" block that the client wants all the small parts RUST BLUED! No kidding! lol

Mauser Bump added to FAQ [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Thanks guys for reminding me, but instead of dropping hints like that, just e-mail me... [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

[quote]Originally posted by Doubs:
<strong>Brandon, your picture did indeed load but you didn't crop the image and somehow ended up with a massive border. I've taken the liberty of cropping and enhancing your pic, which is quite good, just a little.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/MyLuger3-1.jpg</strong><hr></blockquote>

Something odd:
The eagle on the right hand side appears to be a Federal German mark, post WWII.
This really looks like the "Bundesadler" (Federal Eagle) of the Federal Republic of Germany.
Not sure if this is a property stamp of a Federal Agency/Department, but could well be.
As far as I know, the Border Police (BGS=Bundesgrenzschutz) used P08s in the early years before they got the SIG P210-4.
Just my $ .02
Juergen

Brandon's Luger Configuration is right as rain for a 1937 no suffix. That is, all salt blue (including small parts) and the acceptance/proof marks. The Mauser Hump was incorporated as part of the normal production about the same time the change in finish was accomplished. The proof mark was changed to the eagle-over-swastika toward the end of the 1939 S/42 production.

<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

I have to agree completely with Frank's assessment.

Here are Brandon's photos slightly enlarged to see the detail with color correction and contrast enhancement. I don't see any evidence from these photos that would make me think this was a refinished pistol... sharp lines and wear at the high points looks pretty convincing to me.

Good Job Brandon. Looks like you got a keeper. The price was a good buy in my opinion.

Welcome to the Luger Owner's club... I remember what it was like to just read about them and talk about them... there is no feeling like owning a Luger!

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#1 Dude

Have you taken this puppy ALL the way down and made sure she has all matching numbers?

Decent price no matter what, afterall, water under the bridge, Dad's money and its now YOURS!!

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John,
Thanks for the higher quality photo post! I'll probably take a couple more today without the flash, and I'll try to post those as well!

# 2 Dude,... [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
Nope I've only recently managed to take the trigger out, I'm afraid if I play with it too much I won't be able to put it back together again!

Regards,Brandon

Here are the better pics!!!

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/My...loseupwear.JPG
Close up of the main area of wear.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/My...framefront.JPG
Close up showing the no suffix serial No.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/MyLugerToggle1.JPG
Close-up of the toggle, and chamber markings.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/My...nnonbottom.JPG
Underside of cannon.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/My...sidecannon.JPG
Close-up of the underside of the cannon.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/MyLugercloseupmag.JPG
Close-up showing the non matching magazine.


I have sent Ed Tinker some of the larger pictures, so he will probably post those later!

Regards, Brandon

Brandon,

Now you've gone and done it. It's neat and I like it. However, a young guy like you with many years ahead of him should have a shooter--you'll be afraid to shoot this one.

Better yet, you should also get a Ruger Mark I or II and several bricks of ammo and get out away from the computer once in awhile.

Many times us old codgers have been there and done that, so collecting sometimes dominates our interests these days, but it's a shame to not use this hardware. Just my opinion, I'm not criticizing--have fun anyway you want to, it's a neat (and big) world out there.