my 1915 DWM with my friends TM 08
 

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Doesn't it look great??? Wanna have my own drum-magazine! :-(

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I love it!

tried to send three pics in one mail. didn't work.only one. how is it posible, to see all my uploaded pics at rennlist? if i try to upload for a second time and add a pic which i loaded up at rennlist, it doesn't work.

Guten Tag Dieter!

These are GREAT photographs.

I deleted your additional posts after figuring out how to do multiple photos in the same post and edited your first post to show all three.

All you have to do is put a <return> between your image URL's for each photo. Use the edit function (pencil and paper icon) on the first post to see how the post should look to show multiple images.

best to you

Bremar! Ausgezeichnet! Wunderbar! and all those other words that I don't know that mean outstanding.
RK

Thanks for your kind words. But you mean "Prima", not brema, it means great or good. D08

That's what I get for acting like I know something. Great looking rig.
RK

I have one of these that is a BLAST to shoot with an artillery and shoulder stock!!
Lonnie

Dieter, how does that drum magazine affect the balance?

i don't know how the balance is affectesd. i never shot with it (but i'd like to do it) , i put it only in for a pic. but i'm looking forward to buy one, the average-offer is too expensive. i wait for an opportunity. first i have to buy an ari-luger.

Dieter, are you not allowed by law to use the drum magazine in anything but an arty?

Ed; I believe the drum (unlike a shoulder stock) is ok with any Luger.
Lonnie

Lonnie, I believe Dieter is in Germany, so I was told that shoulder stocks there are okay, but I don't know about drum magazines!

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The use of high capacity magazines such as the TM-08 shown in these photos is perfectly legal in the U.S. to use with any Luger.

Both these magazines and shoulderstocks are legal in Germany where Dieter lives.

What is not legal here in the U.S. is the creation of a new high-capacity magazine (Except for official law enforcement use)... It must be one of the originals...

The use of shoulder stocks on the other hand, is ONLY LEGAL with the same type of Pistol that they were manufactured to be used with.

For example, An GENUINE Artillery Luger can be used with a GENUINE (or reproduction) Artillery Luger stock according to the ATF.

BUT an Artillery Luger CANNOT legally be used with any other stock including a Navy Luger stock without violating the law. The reverse is also true for Navy Lugers...They can't legally be attached to either an Artillery Model stock or a custom stock of any kind.

See the ATF website for the List of C&R handguns that are exempt from shoulder stock restrictions.

If you desire to stock one of your Lugers that is not specifically listed on the ATF Curio & Relic List as exempt from the National Firearms Act of 1934, then you must make application to the ATF for creation of a Short Barreled Rifle (or SBR) and pay a $200.00 federal tax up front BEFORE you acquire the pieces necessary to stock the Luger...

I advise all Luger owners to play it safe... and don't jeopardize the right to own firearms in the U.S. by a felony conviction for being ignorant of the law.

If you are not sure about whether a particular configuration would be considered in violation of the NFA, please don't hesitate to ask here on the forum... Many senior members here would be glad to advise you so you don't get into trouble with Uncle Sam.

The drums are free available on every gunshow (but very expensive). If i buy one i could take it to my shooting-club and shoot with it. Only the side-plate for full-automatic-fire is forbidden to use, but i can own it. Does anybody know, how such a side-plate was built? Are there any plans?

Dieter,

While I have heard of full-auto Lugers I have never seen more than a photograph of them from a distance. I too would be curious about stories of such Lugers and how many were made. If you ever actually examine one, please post some clear photographs for all of us to see...

thanks

I am green with envy ! Or is it that I am just hungry ?

I think it is an absolutly beautiful example of fine craftsmanship to see what you have.
Thank you for sharing with your fellow "Gun Nut's".

A 32 round pistol magazine costing up to $1100 that requires a $300-400 loading device so that a person can shoot a pistol no less than fifty years old is only outlawed in the People's Republik of Kalifornia. That's so adolescent fellons won't spray their neighbors with it.

Outside of Europe the cheapest source of Trommel mags is Australia where the ANZACs brought them home to shoot Roos after WWI. Now they are selling them off 'cause they can't own pistols...just like the Brits.

Hello, Mr. Sabato!

You asked about a picture of the full auto-sideplate. I have seen one picture in the book "Die Pistole 08", a German book about the Luger from Achim Goertz (is it true that he died???). I can't post a scan of it, because I have no scanner, but perhaps one of the other members of the forum can?
Some years ago these sideplates were sold in Germany and you can find them sometimes in ebay.

http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/MGSideplate2.jpg
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yes, thats it... can anybody tell, how it worked?

karmast,

Yes, it is true that Herr G�¶rtz passed away last year. His knowledge of Lugers and their history is sadly missed by all.

I have never seen the other side of this type of sideplate... perhaps someone who has one can post a photograph of the mechanism behind the sideplate.

I am certain that possession of such a sideplate in the U.S. would fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934 because the device would be considered a machinegun, even if you didn't have possession of a Luger.

Guys,

I won't be back near my luger books until this weekend...

I think I recall seeing the patent drawings of the Navarro Brother's (from Mexico around 1906...)patent for selective fire automation of the luger in John Walter's book, The Luger Book...

If someone has this book and can scan, please do so...otherwise I will try on Saturday...

p.s. Speaking of scanning, are we violating copyright laws when we scan a page/photo from a book and post here on the Luger Forum...? Whenever I do such a scan, I always try to give an author and/or photo credit in the text of my posting...

Regards,

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I think we should give credit, as that is nice to see where the picture came from.
When I was teaching classes at night, I read that portions of a book may be used for educational purposes, and there was a percent applied, (I don't remember that percent).

But it is also allowed for book reviews, educational purposes, etc.

I have the newest book of G�¶rtz and there are some other pics of that sideplate. There are also the numbers of the patends. I'll try to get some copies of them. I let you know if i will succeed.

Pete,

In answer to your question, the explicit purpose of this forum is education and the study of history... I am fairly certain that as long as graphics are attributed to the source whenever possible, we would not be in violation of a copywrite to produce a minor extract from a published source like a single photo or a paragraph...

Perhaps if there are any Lawyers among the forum membership, they might comment on this...

So John, my answer wasn't detailed enough <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

I thought I said that?

Man, now they can't even see my words, boy, to be seen and not heard and NOW, to not even be seen...

:D :D :D

The comments regarding Austrailia and the collectors selling all their guns and high capacity (Trommel) mags is simply not correct.
True, from what we observe here in New Zealand, that there has been a huge clean up of "Saturday nite specials collectors" but the serious Luger collectors seem to be OK. I know, because their dollar is maginally better than ours and they keep beating me up at gun auctions for Lugers.
I have a Luger collector friend in Brisbane whom seems to have been left alone but there certainly been a lot of guns destroyed,especially Military Style Semiauto rifles and some pistols.
As regard to price for snail drum mag is simply that the market price for them dowm under is about $1000 to $1500 NZ or Aust dollars (depending on condition) which was about a third of the price you pay in US dollars when the exchange rate is taken into consideration but lately that has changed due to the weakening US Dollar.
I trust this is of some interest.
Murray.

" The only regrets about Luger collectings are the Lugers that one sold and the Lugers that one did not buy".

Naw Ed!

I was just supporting what you said! Besides, how could I not see you... you are Everywhere ! and you are almost 200 message posts ahead of me! :D

...and besides the last time I checked you weren't a lawyer either and don't play one on TV... it would be nice to hear a free legal opinion from somebody like Ad Yeaman... which reminds me, I haven't seen a post from him in a LONG time. Time for an email to check up on him.

Hey John, not long ago I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so...

:D

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