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Mike Fitz

11-27-2003 01:53 AM

byf41 rig

Hi Guys,
First off HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all.
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I just acquired my second Luger. It is a byf 41, Serial # is 17 y.
It came with 2 magazines, a tool and a 1941 dated holster
All numbered parts including rear toggle pin are matching (17).
Side plate is numbered 17 on front and 1 on back.
Finish is original with some holster wear showing on the sharp edges, end of the barrel,side plate and rear grip strap.
There are a few small pit marks on the right side of the upper receiver behind the proof marks.
I would rate the finish at about 93%
The white paint in the word GESICHERT is missing from all of the letters except GES.
Proof marks on upper right receiver are two Eagel/655Ã¢??s and the Eagle/Swastika proof.
Wooden grips show some wear and they are each numbered 17 and proofed Eagle/655.
There is a small Eagle/655 on right side of barrel and Eagle/Swastika on left. Underside of barrel is marked 17 and 8,83.
Bore is excellent with no signs of pitting.
Both magazines are marked on left side P.08 fxo and have two Eagle/37 Waffenamts one near the top and one near the bottom.
One has an unmarked base and the other is numbered 8113 t and +.
The tool has Waffenamt Eagle/655.
The holster is a black leather hard-shell and the stitching while dirty is all intact. It has the compartment for the tool on the inside of the flap.
It is marked on the back. Upper right side large P 08. Upper left side reads E.G. LEUNER GmbH BAUTZEN 1941. It has a Waffenamt Eagle/Swastika/ WaA 159.
Holster shows nice wear and the only real downside is that there are four holes on the flap. Two on each side of the strap.
The person I got this rig from said there were 2 metal Nazi emblems/insignia that the Vet he acquired it from had attached to the holster but he removed them prior to selling it.
I have included some pictures for your viewing pleasure
Is the number 1 on the back of the side plate correct and are Eagle/37 magazines correct for a byf41 in the Y block?
As always your comments and advice are appreciated
Thanks,

Mike :)

http://www.cyberonic.net/~mikef6/badges/BYF41L.JPG

http://www.cyberonic.net/~mikef6/badges/BYF41R.JPG

http://www.cyberonic.net/~mikef6/badges/BYFTOP.JPG

http://www.cyberonic.net/~mikef6/badges/GRIPS.JPG

http://www.cyberonic.net/~mikef6/badges/MISC1.JPG

http://www.cyberonic.net/~mikef6/badges/MISC2.JPG

Mike Fitz

11-27-2003 01:55 AM

Here are the magazine & holster pictures
Mike

http://www.cyberonic.net/~mikef6/badges/MAGS.JPG

http://www.cyberonic.net/~mikef6/badges/HOLSTR.JPG

Lonnie Zimmerman

11-27-2003 02:15 AM

Very nice. Congratulations!
Lonnie

Mike Fitz

11-27-2003 02:45 AM

Thanks Lonnie.
Happy Thanksgiving
Mike

Dwight Gruber

11-27-2003 03:09 AM

Very sweet piece. Wouldn't one expect the firing pin to be fluted?

--Dwight

Mike Fitz

11-27-2003 09:58 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dwight Gruber:
Very sweet piece. Wouldn't one expect the firing pin to be fluted?

--Dwight<hr /></blockquote>Thanks Dwight.
Please excuse my ignorance but Im not sure what what you mean by "fluted".
Happy Thanksgiving
Mike

Lugerdoc

11-27-2003 10:25 AM

Mike, You appear to have acquired a very nice honest PO8 rig, with the possible exception of the firing pin, which should also be numbered 17 with 3 relief cuts milled into the front. I do have a few unnumbered ones of this type, but unfortunately no #17 to offer. TH

saxman

11-27-2003 11:49 AM

But the pin is numbered to the gun. Would an armorer have done that with a replacement?

Mike Fitz

11-27-2003 11:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lugerdoc:
Mike, You appear to have acquired a very nice honest PO8 rig, with the possible exception of the firing pin, which should also be numbered 17 with 3 relief cuts milled into the front. I do have a few unnumbered ones of this type, but unfortunately no #17 to offer. TH<hr /></blockquote>Hi Tom,
Thanks for your reply.
I guess the 3 relief cuts milled into the front is what Dwight meant by fluted.
<img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />
I field stripped the Luger after reading your posting and it does indeed have the 3 grooves on the opposite side from where the 17 is stamped.
The 17 appears to have been stamped but not very well. Almost like the stamp slid when it was struck. There is also a trace of cosmoline or some type of dried grease in that area.
I have included a jpg.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving,
Mike
:)

http://www.cyberonic.net/~mikef6/badges/FPIN17.JPG

kidvett

11-27-2003 01:19 PM

Mike,

Very nice Rig !! 2 digits pistols are not that common...

Congrats !! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

MARK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

RockinWR

11-27-2003 03:46 PM

Mike,
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Is the number 1 on the back of the side plate correct and are Eagle/37 magazines correct for a byf41 in the Y block?<hr /></blockquote>* Yes, the numeral "1" on the I/Side of the Sideplate is correct for your two digit byf '41.
* The "fxo" mags are also period correct; although, slightly early for the "y" block. IMHO, they would not be incorrect as Mauser was using up Al. bottoms as they were introducing the black plastic versions.
Respectfully,
Bob

Edward Tinker

11-27-2003 06:19 PM

GREAT RIG!!

Happy Thanksgiving, great gun!

:)

Ed

Heydrich

11-27-2003 11:03 PM

I agree with Doc, looks like a nice honest piece. When I saw that unnumbered magazine, my jaw hit the table. Whoever sold it to you must have been at least moderately honest (a vet maybe?), since they didn’t sell it on eBay for a boatload of money, or succumb to the temptation to alter it. Do you know anything about this P.08’s history?

Mike Fitz

11-28-2003 03:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kidvett:
Mike,

Very nice Rig !! 2 digits pistols are not that common...

Congrats !! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

MARK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Thanks Mark

Mike :)

Mike Fitz

11-28-2003 03:18 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by RockinWR:
Mike,
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Is the number 1 on the back of the side plate correct and are Eagle/37 magazines correct for a byf41 in the Y block?<hr /></blockquote>* Yes, the numeral "1" on the I/Side of the Sideplate is correct for your two digit byf '41.
* The "fxo" mags are also period correct; although, slightly early for the "y" block. IMHO, they would not be incorrect as Mauser was using up Al. bottoms as they were introducing the black plastic versions.
Respectfully,
Bob<hr /></blockquote>Hi Bob,
Thanks for the information.
I wasn't sure about the side plate inside number because of what I read on this forum about the inside number being one higher then the first digit of the serial number. I thought possibly it should be 2.
:confused:
Did Mauser stop numbering the magazines with the introduction of the ones with black plastic bottoms?
Best regards,
Mike
:)

Mike Fitz

11-28-2003 03:21 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Edward Tinker:
GREAT RIG!!

Happy Thanksgiving, great gun!

:)

Ed<hr /></blockquote>Thanks Ed.
Best regards,
Mike
:)

Dwight Gruber

11-28-2003 04:12 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mike Fitz:

Did Mauser stop numbering the magazines with the introduction of the ones with black plastic bottoms?<hr /></blockquote>Mike,

The black Bakelite magazine bottoms were not numbered because the material is too brittle to take the stamping.

--Dwight

Mike Fitz

11-28-2003 05:09 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dwight Gruber:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mike Fitz:

Did Mauser stop numbering the magazines with the introduction of the ones with black plastic bottoms?<hr /></blockquote>Mike,

The black Bakelite magazine bottoms were not numbered because the material is too brittle to take the stamping.

--Dwight<hr /></blockquote>Thanks Dwight.
Best regards,
Mike
:)

Mike Fitz

11-28-2003 06:34 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Heydrich:
I agree with Doc, looks like a nice honest piece. When I saw that unnumbered magazine, my jaw hit the table. Whoever sold it to you must have been at least moderately honest (a vet maybe?), since they didnÃ¢??t sell it on eBay for a boatload of money, or succumb to the temptation to alter it. Do you know anything about this P.08Ã¢??s history?<hr /></blockquote>Hi Heydrich/Curt,
Thanks for your comments.
The person I got the Luger from obtained it back in 1987 from a WW2 Veteran who was retiring and moving out of state.
All he could tell me was that the Vet told him he brought it home from Germany in late 1945.
When he first was showed this rig there were 2 metal Nazi insignia that the vet had attached to the holster flap. At the last minute the Vet decided to keep the insignia and removed them prior to the sale.
Unfortunately he didn't ask any of the details about how this rig was obtained and the Vet volunteered no information.
The gentleman I got it from said in the 16 years he has had it he never fired it although he checked it periodically and stripped & oiled it at least once a year.
He is a retired Police Officer and his wife and daughter wanted him to get rid of his guns because of his grandchildren.
He also obtained from this same Vet a 1938 Code 42 Mauser 98K rifle, ALL matching except for the bolt assembly which is partially matching. Lots of nice clear Waffenamts E/63, E/WaA63 & Nazi proofs on the metal & the stock.
The bad news is that the seller converted it to a sporter by cutting off the front approximately 8 inches of the stock.
<img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" />
He wanted $750.00 for the Luger rig and threw in the 98K to cinch the deal.
The rest is history.
Sorry for being so long winded.
Best regards,
Mike
:)

Johnny C. Kitchens

11-28-2003 10:24 PM

I notice there is a difference in the aluminum base of the two magazines. Their shapes are not the same. Is this common???

Heydrich

11-29-2003 10:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mike Fitz:
He is a retired Police Officer and his wife and daughter wanted him to get rid of his guns because of his grandchildren.
He also obtained from this same Vet a 1938 Code 42 Mauser 98K rifle, ALL matching except for the bolt assembly which is partially matching. Lots of nice clear Waffenamts E/63, E/WaA63 & Nazi proofs on the metal & the stock.
The bad news is that the seller converted it to a sporter by cutting off the front approximately 8 inches of the stock.<hr /></blockquote>Ah, a police officer. And that kind of hack to a K stock is the most common Bubba job you see. All is not lost though Mike. You could buy a correct replacement stock (or just a RC one) on eBay or GunBroker, if you feel like it, and got lucky. The correct type for a 42 code is a solid walnut type, with a flat buttplate, and preferably with a Herr stamp on the wood. You have an uncommon code, but that and the S/42s are the most typical pre-war K’s you seem to see.

Michigan Gunner

12-22-2003 08:55 PM

A really nice Luger! To bad the retired police officer had to sell it for that reason.

The chances of me sell guns because of grandchildren is a -0. Not now, not ever, never!

It is fairly easy to render children "Gun Safe".
You just have to take the time to do it.

Cocked, Locked, Ready to Rock! :D

John Sabato

12-23-2003 11:32 AM

I make a pretty good effort to try and read every post that is made on the forums... but somehow I missed this one! That's a great Luger rig Mike... congrats! I know they are fairly common, but the byf Mauser production is my favorite... maybe because they were truely the last of the wartime production at Mauser...

Mike Fitz

12-23-2003 05:12 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Michigan Gunner:
A really nice Luger! To bad the retired police officer had to sell it for that reason.

The chances of me sell guns because of grandchildren is a -0. Not now, not ever, never!

It is fairly easy to render children "Gun Safe".
You just have to take the time to do it.

Cocked, Locked, Ready to Rock! :D <hr /></blockquote>I agree.
In addition to the Luger rig & 98K I also got a nice P-38 (byf-44) which he got from the same Vet.
He was also selling a 6 inch barrel Colt O.P. and a 4 inch Colt Python that he carried as duty weapons for over 30 years.
Welcome to anti-gun New Jersey!!!
Best wishes for the Holidays
Mike
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Mike Fitz

12-23-2003 05:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by John Sabato:
I make a pretty good effort to try and read every post that is made on the forums... but somehow I missed this one! That's a great Luger rig Mike... congrats! I know they are fairly common, but the byf Mauser production is my favorite... maybe because they were truely the last of the wartime production at Mauser...<hr /></blockquote>Thanks John.
Very pleased with it.
As you guys have warned me, "Lugers can be addictive."
Best wishes for the Holidays,
Mike
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RockinWR

12-23-2003 08:38 PM

Mike,
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Hi Bob,
Thanks for the information.
I wasn't sure about the side plate inside number because of what I read on this forum about the inside number being one higher then the first digit of the serial number. I thought possibly it should be 2. <hr /></blockquote>* In the essentially 4 digit numbering scheme Mauser used, your pistol is numbered "0017y". Rule after 1939 is 1 higher than the first two digits. So "00 + 1 = 1".
* I believe this applied to all single & two digit pistols (numbered below 100).
* Trust this helps.
Bob

Mike Fitz

12-23-2003 11:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by RockinWR:
Mike,
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Hi Bob,
Thanks for the information.
I wasn't sure about the side plate inside number because of what I read on this forum about the inside number being one higher then the first digit of the serial number. I thought possibly it should be 2. <hr /></blockquote>* In the essentially 4 digit numbering scheme Mauser used, your pistol is numbered "0017y". Rule after 1939 is 1 higher than the first two digits. So "00 + 1 = 1".
* I believe this applied to all single & two digit pistols (numbered below 100).
* Trust this helps.
Bob<hr /></blockquote>Thanks Bob.
Definitely helps.
Happy Holidays,
Mike
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