Need to ID strange Luger Carbine
 

Need help to ID strange Luger Carbine. Any books written on those? Thank You.

not really - it is discussed in several books, sturgess the most.

pictures, description are needed

what is strange about it?

It looks like Martz Luger. But not marked ANYWHERE.

Figured out how to post pics

It might be a Martz, but there have been several post-war carbines made by folks. The barrel is 16 inches which makes it legal. It looks like it has WW1 markings on the right, close ups would help, as would the top of the carbine, with the toggle showing and any dates or possible dates.

Eugene made me a 'G' date fantasy piece, I unfortunately had to sell it to afford to buy a rare Simson.

Ed

Its marked 1916. Have no idea who made it.

Alex, Looks like a real beauty. Seems really well done. No stock? marked 1916 it started life as a military not any kind of commercial like regular carbines were. Have you shot it?

I shot this 5 shot group , standing at 25 yards. Very good shooter. No stock. But I think stock can be found or made (?).

Whoever constructed it knew what he was doing and did a fine job, but doubt that it is a Martz. If his, it will have his JVM in an oval on the frame under the sideplate. Nice gun.
Ron

Alex, Yes, carbine stocks are everywhere these days. Trouble would be finding one to match your pistols quality. It looks to be a real treasure. Take some time and find a nice stock to go with it. What a shooter that would make!

Since I probably will never find out who build this gun , at least I would like to get a decent stock that would really compliment it . My experience with Lugers is VERY limited , especially with custom Lugers. But this one does seem nice.

What I dont understand is what is the difference between 1920 Luger Carbines and Martz Luger Carbine?

Are there any markings on the underside barrel. Where and what is the serial number? Is "GERMANY' marked anywhere? Pretty Gun, most likely custom~

Here is a Martz Carbine~https://www.gunsamerica.com/94197639...20-Carbine.htm

This one. Proper stocks are probably not available....(:

We will find you one!They fire fine without one!

Thank You. It is nice and its a mystery gun in a way. I tried looking for any kind of markings , but no luck. Serial number is on the left side

Look on the inside tang~ May say serial number and "GERMANY" if made there~Also inside the wooden grip~

Found One https://lugerman.com/product/luger-carbine-1902-stock/

Looks good. Since I will never get the stock that is original to the gun ( dont even know who made the gun ) , this stock will work fine. I check it out.

There are exact replica carbine stocks on ebay, not as nice as an original, but decent - I bought one from a friend that was cleaned up by Jim S here on the forum

Barrel length. In order not to create a SBR, Martz's barrels on projects that would be used with a stock were at least 16", presumably so they would be more universally marketable.

It's possible, of course, if you live in a state that allows, to do the federal paperwork, background check, and $200 payment for the tax involved to legally own an SBR. Original Carbines have been exempted from this rule, like an original Artillery or Navy.

Thank You. Ok. Mine measures 16 inches. So its not a German made model of 1920 and not marked anywhere as a John Martz gun. I take it apart and see if I can find anything that can show who made it. My understanding is that Martz guns were all marked.

It greatly increases the value of the gun!

Val7711, that is indeed a fine looking piece. Check out the leather carrying case that Jerry Burney makes for these Luger carbines. They are absolutely beautiful and would make a great addition to your unit. BTW, I don't work for Jerry.

Jerrys' Weimar Carbine Case~Beautiful!!!!Handmade!!!

I definitely check it out it does look like a beautiful case. I will fist like to find out , who put this gun together . Since its probably not a true 1920 model. Then get a proper stock for it. But a case will definitely be nice to have too.

I know you'd like it to be a Martz gun, but if marked, he marked 'most' of them. I had a 4 inch bull barrel that when I bought it, they said, I think its a Martz. On the forum, everyone said, no, I don't think so.

Yours looks almost exactly like the one Eugene G (Lugerman) made for me.

Ed

I completely disassembled it. Its DEFINITELY not Martz. Its a 1916 all matching that someone turned into a 16 inch barrel carbine . I will get a well made stock for it and enjoy it for what it is or sell it. At this point , who made it is only a guess. :)

Its a nice looking carbine, I would not toss it out of the bed :)

It just depends on what you like or want. I look at my records I keep of guns I've sold and I say, what, I have owned 3 Test Lugers? I owned that many 1911's! Why'd I sell them!

Ed

Oddly enough Val7711 a stock just came up @ GunBroker for $495.00

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894716310

It's not original and the fittings I find could be tighter but you may be able to score it cheaper for that reason.
Re-fitting the hardware is relatively easy IMO.

It looks like it may work. If I decide to keep the carbine, I will try to search for original stock ( will be tough not even knowing who build the gun) or have a nice one made for it

The hard part is the fitting. A gunsmith can do a custom fit adjustment~ I would definitly go for the stock! It triples the value of your gun!

I look at it again. Speaking of value , I dont even know what the gun is .... LOL.. But stock would definitely be nice to have.

You may be unsure of the maker, but it is a nice Luger Carbine!!!!

You could send good photos and the serial numbers to Lugerman and ask him if he made it......just a thought.

Mine is#"3231t"

Where are serial numbers usually found on those carbines ?

Sometime inside under the tang inside, looks like a tuning fork!

I see. Thank You. Does 4 digit serial number makes sense for a 1916 Luger?