G-Date Waffenamt Marks
 

Hi Guys, I am asking all with G-Dates for a little assistance. First we know there were about 55,000 of these little jewels made. There are six combinations of waffenamt marks, the most of any other Third Reich Luger. I have been compiling lists, trying to establish the serial number range for each set of marks. These marks are:

B|90 and S-91
B|90 and S-92
W|154 and S-92
DE/211 and S-92
DE/63 and S-92
DE/63 and DE/63

I would appreciate any information on these pistols that provide me with the serial number, including the suffix and the waffenamt mark combination for that pistol.

I will not record the name of the individual supplying the information, only the information.

You can list the data here, send me a private email from the forum or email me directly at mrbguy@msn.com

Thanks in advance for any help!!

Hi Frank,

I don't know if you caught my reply on the P 38 Forum, so here is mine.. Hope it helps!

G - Date - SN: 8628 a
W|154 - S-92 - Eagle

You know mine by now I'm sure, but anyhow.
DE/63 - DE/63 - Eagle
8752 d "G" date

Hey Frank,
Here's One.
G-Date S/N 7895C
W154, S92

Frank I have the following.
Sn 2154d E/211 S-92
Sn 3278d E/211 S-92

John D., Dave, Toggle Top & Doug, thanks much for the data. It is appreciated. I'll let you know the results when I can get enough data.

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Frank:
FYI
2508e de/63de/63
808b w154 s92

Rgards Ken D

Frank,
Here is mine:
6008e DE/63, DE/63, Eagle

Hello Frank,

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G Date I have :

Ser no 6435 unknown suffix,armorers replaced frame
Proofs: B|90 S|92

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Hi Kid, thanks for the try, but if it's a G-Date, it has to have a suffix!! :(

I do appreciate your effort!

Frank,

1131-d 211 S|92

When you compile the data I would like a copy too!

Jim

Frank,
I have an S/42 G s/n 5745e it has two D/63's and a mark I'm not sure of but saw it in "Luger" by John Walter, page 114 - the photo in the upper right hand corner shows the two D/63's and the other mark.

Brent B.

James and Brent, thanks much!!

Brent, the third stamp is a proof mark. This means the pistol was fired with over charged ammunition and successfully passed this over pressure test. On G-Dates this is identified as Proof Number 1, or sometimes as Fine Tailed Eagle.

Here's mine:

70f DE63 DE63 Eagle
1504b W154 S92 Eagle

Frank, As I am new to Lugers and the forum, I'm going to need a little help identifying my G date. Where do i find the suffix (and what does it mean?). Also need help with "Waffenamt Marks" where located on the gun? what possibilities are there? what do they mean????

Here is an example of where the suffix letter is found on the front of the frame below the serial number...

This example also shows the suffix on two matching magazines

This serial number is 2360s

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...ample2360s.jpg

Hugh, thanks a bunch!!

LugerLizzie, the serial number and suffix are as John described. The acceptance marks are located on the right side of the receiver, just behind the barrel. There are three stamps, the two to the rear are the acceptance marks and the one closest to the barrel is the proof mark.

Frank, after inspection my G date is, ser.# 8846 b, W154, S92. by the way does anyone happen to have a sideplate with the # 46 on it? that is the only thing on my luger that looks bad (it's pretty well pitted).

Better to have a pitted original part, than a replacement. So, buy a replacement, and keep the orginal, :D

Ed

LugerLizzie, thanks for taking the time to post your data!!

Frank,
3000a-B90/S91
6109a-B90/S92

Lyn

Lyn, thanks for the data. It's slow coming, but I think it's very interesting so far. I'll post some intrim result after a few more data points. It is much appreciated!!

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Frank,
S/42 G
6035 f
DE/63 DE/63
Bought it from vet. Interesting story.
Carl

Gentelmen: My "G" Date is 2512 "C" I think, the
Gothic Letter is very plainly marked as Johns
photos show, I just dont really know what I am looking at (the Gothic Alphabet)

Reguards...John (saturn6)

Carl and John, thanks for your data.

Carl, your serial number is the highest recorded for any G-Date!!!

John, if your acceptance marks on the right side of the receiver are W|154 & S92, then you pistol is about in the center of that range. The "Gothic G" is on top of the chamber and the "Script C" is just below the numbers on the front of the frame. Don't worry about the names of the letters!!

Hi Frank

S/42 G
6032e
eagle 63 eagle 63

Question: what does the DE/63 description mean that some have, at mine it is only stamped with 63 eagle.

HCS

Henrik, thank you for the data! Military Mausers have two different types of Waffenamt eagle markings. The earlier eagles have wings that are shown in a downward position or Droop Wings, thus DE. The later eagle marks are stick figure wings that are straight out from the eagle body, so they are called stick or straight wings, thus SE.

Hi Frank

Thank you for the explanation, then my P08 is marked SE/63 SE/63 DE.

HCS

Henrik, sorry, if your G-Date has stick eagle marks, it isn't a G-Date. G-Dates only have Droop Wing Eagle Marks!! If you send me an email with your email address, I'll send you a photo of both!!

Hi Frank

Sorry I replyed my last post from work, so I could not examine the P08, I remembered wrong, the eagles are all DE but two different ones, two
with small wings and one with longer wings. To repeat again it is marked DE/63 DE/63 DE(long ver. wings eagle without any number).

HCS

Henrik, thanks!! The DE/63 marks are acceptance indications (inspection) while the DE (without a number) is a test firing proof mark.

Hi Frank heres mine
w154 s92 8069d
dw63 dw 63 7218e

Hi Frank only other letter it can be is an (a) but no matter how hard I look its still a(d) to me

Richard, OK thanks for looking. The "a" alternate makes more sense than a "d". The "a" is within the data range and the "d" is about 8000 numbers too high. If you would send a photo to me, or post it here, I can take a stab at the identification. AND thanks for the data!!

There is a section showing the various suffix in the Technical Information that Ed Tinker worked up. It shows a very good example of both a G-Date "a" and "d"!! That might also help.

Purchased my first luger 2 weeks ago, it is a s/42 G date. Serial # is 2377 (no prefix or suffix) 211 (with eagle above it), S/92 and downward wings. It is supposed to be a war bring back, all parts visible in assembled mode match (haven't taken it apart yet).

Don't see any g-dates seriaql #'s without prefix or suffix? Am not knowledgable about lugers, but it appears to be in very good shape (also not very knowledgable about rating condition)

Hi Zeke, thanks for the attempt. In this post string, John Sabato has shown a photo of the frame front, just below the barrel, which is the location of the serial number, both numbers and the letter suffix.

Your Luger should have a "d" suffix, just below the numbers on the frame front. Please let me know!

Frank I have one with D/E63 & D/E63 ser.#1989f also one I just sold that is W-154 & S/92 ser.#6669c Hope this helps Don

Frank-thanks for directing me, there is a small case "d" at the front of frame on the radius below the serial #. Am quessing it's a d, it appears to have a little upswept tail on it.

The mag is stamped 1798, and no letters but an eagle with 63 below it.

Always wanted a luger, rumored to be very accurate.

Zeke and Don H, thanks much for the data, it is all appreciated!

Zeke, the eagle on the magazine is most probably a stick or straight wing eagle. With no suffix, it was probably used for a late 1937 or early 1938 Luger. The proper magazine for your G-Date should DE/211 stamped where the E/63 is marked on your magazine.

OK, from another newbie, a byf SE/41 Ser#4558r
Is this the correct info ?