Barrel appears to be walking out?
 

Hello, all. New to the forum here. I’m having an issue with a P08 that I purchased a while back where my barrel appears to be walking out of the barrel extension. I’m not really sure how this is possible, since Luger barrels are supposed to be threaded in and are not press fit.

First of all, yes this appears to be some kind of aftermarket barrel, as you can see by the wrong barrel profile, fixed front sight, and amazingly clean rifling (not pictured). I got the gun for absolute peanuts, so I wasn't really worried about the fact that it's a mix-master with an aftermarket barrel. Despite my googling and searching on here, I still can't figure out what kind of barrel it is, but I digress.

Anyway, I shot the gun on a couple of range trips, but eventually it stopped firing. Upon inspection, I noticed the barrel has walked out of the barrel extension somehow, causing the cartridge to sit too far forward to make contact with the firing pin. The weird thing though is that it’s walking out straight forward, it’s not rotating like a loose screw-in barrel would. Based on the lack of threads visible in the gap that is now between the barrel and extension, it looks like the barrel is a press-fit, which it obviously shouldn’t be. Additionally, on the bottom of the extension where you’d expect to find witness marks, it looks like there’s some sort of indexing pin that’s been peened in place, and it looks like there’s a matching cutout in the barrel for this pin.

So basically my question is...what on earth is going on here? I am genuinely stumped as to what kind of barrel I have and how it could possibly be walking out of the barrel extension (apparently straight forward with no rotation). Has anyone ever heard of an issue like this in the past?

It appears to be a revolver barrel? Heck I don't know, but assume that the threads are smaller, so like when you screw in a nut onto a bolt and it holds, but not well and if you pull the right direction, it pulls free

I'd have it checked by a luger gunsmith - GT here on the forum could / should be able to re-barrel it or tell you if thats not possible

Get that to a good luger smith before it sees another round. Receiver may have been bored, and that barrel pressed in.

re-barrel needed? looks like it!
 

Hi alexmg2420, and welcome to the forum parabellum.. This is a great place for info, and also a great place to enlist aid for your ailing Luger... First of all, don't shoot it anymore? You will run into pierced primers and other excessive headspace maladies...:eek:...
It looks like an old revolver barrel to me, maybe it's all they had, when something is needed it's better than nothing?
If I was faced with a barreled receiver like yours, I would drill out the added retaining pin, and remove the barrel.. Then, I would run a tap into the receiver thread and straighten that out, and finally, re-barrel with a Luger barrel, new or used, of your choice.. If you would like to discuss the process that can make that happen, write me at: gctomeks@msn.com I am always willing to help new collectors and shooters, especially that are members of this forum.. we can work something out... Best to you, and again welcome, til...lat'r....GT:cheers:

If it's moving forward but not revolving, then I'd say the barrel has been installed as a press or slip fit and not screwed in.

I also agree that it looks like a revolver barrel and having moved out, it's not safe.

Take it to a qualified gunsmith and do not attempt to fire it again until it's properly repaired.

Listen to G.T. as he knows what he's talking about. I highly recommend him if you want it repaired properly.

I'm with Doubs on this one, someone likely "removed" the receiver threads and "installed" by pressing or ?? a modified revolver barrel(.38 special or .357 = 9mm).

I believe you would best be served by purchasing a barreled receiver(upper) and retiring the one shown.

I believe the "pin" was a set screw, one can see the "dimple" in its remaining face where it was ground down.

Measure the diameter of the shank of the barrel that is showing, it should allow us to determine if there are threads left in the barrel or not. If it measures any larger than 18.0 mm or 0.71", then the threads have been removed or reduced.

Yes on the new upper for center-fire shooting; but this upper could be re-configured for rimfire/.22 shooting.

It could have a plug silver-soldered/brazed in place and bored out to take a .22 replacement barrel. There have been several .22 toggle-trains for sale in the last year. :)

Thanks, everyone. So it seems I was on the right track by assuming it was some weird unknown barrel that was pressed in. At least I don't feel stupid for not being able to recognize an aftermarket barrel from some catalog back in the day.

I have a mini mill and a press, so I almost want to drill out the pin and press the barrel out myself to satisfy my own curiosity, but I also don't want to bugger up any remaining threads for you.

I just measured the barrel shank and it's measuring 0.6765" or 17.17mm (at least according to my crappy Harbor Freight digital calipers). So maybe there's still threads in the receiver? Fingers crossed.

As far as safety issues, I got lucky. I didn't get any bulged or burst cases, but no way am I planning to try and shoot it as-is.

Yes,
It sounds like you still have some or all the threads left!
Drill out the set screw, use a left hand drill if you have it and it may spin itself out. ;)
I doubt you will need to press it out, it will probably just twist out by hand or vise.

Just thinking outloud!!!
 

After thinking about this "hot mess" for awhile, I realized that there was an option we should consider, and that is to cut the barrel off and drill / mill, out the remained of the barrel stub / tenon, until we can pry out the remained, and address the pin from both inside and out? No reason that the receiver would not work, unless of course, cracked or squished??? Just me thinking out loud! Best, til...lat'r....GT....;):jumper::jumper:

This is a very unusual situation, and I will follow it's progress with interest!!

GT,
You're making this sound more difficult than it likely is! :p

The barrel is already moving, if the set screw/pin is removed, it might just "fall" out ! JMHO.:D

maybe so?
 

Hi Don, it could work out that way, but if the receiver is ruined from trying to extract the set screw, your all done.... and in the trash it goes.. my experience has been it's better to sacrifice the bad parts, and have access to both ends, then it is to drill, pound, drill and heat into submission... Just a little grinding to make all better?... Best to you my friend! Til....lat'r.....GT.....

I imagine that the person that "fitted" this revolver barrel to the Luger ran up against the problem of thread angle (remember the preference for British "Whitworth" thread profile by DWM)...

Depending on the source of the "replacement" barrel, it's unlikely that it had the correct thread pitch and face angle, so any number of "adjustments" might have been committed.

This site describes the BSW thread:

https://www.boltscience.com/pages/screw4.htm

This is the Luger:

The diagram of the BSW Luger barrel clearly shows the step in the chamber. Interesting.

Man, that's all great info! I'm really glad I asked about this "hot mess" now! G.T., I'll definitely be emailing you next week about this. I'm out of town for the weekend, but I can't wait to get to the bottom of this!

When immovable meets irresistible!
 

Hi To all! Well, it's out, and all is well! At least we're onto the assembly leg of the barrel replacement sprint! A picture is to follow, as I'm not adapt at putting them / it, onto a forum post?... I'll see if Ed or Don, can make it so, should explain all.. .... Best to all.....til.....lat'r.....GT....:cheers:
BTW, it's a No. 7 spiral Easy out, approx. .560" hole


posted ebt

So you cut the barrel and used an easy-out....


Looks like the barrel broke..No need for an easy out if you can grab hold of a good solid barrel?

Was an adhesive originally used to hold it all together?

what happened to the pin ???

Sorry Hugh, I accidently inserted my message into your post!



Looks like the barrel broke..No need for an easy out if you can grab hold of a good solid barrel?

sequence!
 

Hi to all, well, my first attempt was to clamp the barrel in the barrel vice shown, and hopefully twist everything out in one shot! Well, the barrel was already loose, and in working it back and forth I was able to defeat the solder joint and remove the revolver barrel.. the pin was only into touching the barrel stub, and literally fell right in once the barrel was removed? I was left with the threaded barrel tenon from the original barrel. I couldn't tell if it was soldered, or glued, or pressed, so I did the caveman thing and applied the no. 7 easy out... I clamped the receiver vice to the bench, and tapped in the easy out, clamped on the vice grips and it went "pop" and screwed right out!!!:eek::eek:! .... everything seemed to be in order, no damage to the threads or receiver... Soooo, I installed a "MADE IN GERMANY" barrel, and it indexed and head spaced perfectly in the first shot.... I then sat back and looked around as this was going waaaayyy to well, and something had to be amiss? But no, it went back together ready for the range test that has to follow no matter how good everything seems.. But, I think we have a nice solid Luger top half now! Should work great... best to all, til...lat'r....GT...:jumper:

didn't have to cut
 

Hi hayhugh, the barrel just pulled out leaving the threads with a .500" hole... So, in went the EZ out.... Turned it a little, and boom, all good! Best to you, til....lat'r....GT:thumbup:

no glue!!!!
 

Hi Marc, no glue, just the loose solder? But, for not having a barrel flange, the threads were still pretty tight... :eek:.... best, GT

GT, inquiring minds want to Know :-)
Looks to me from the barrel in the block that they turned down a barrel and stuck it into a P08 breach section they reamed out. Then somehow stuck the turned down barrel into the Luger breech. Probably low temp make-believe silver solder. How is my guess

exactly!
 

Good morning Heinz, I believe you are spot on with your assessment as to the order of events? But, I think it was/is, just low temp soft solder use in holding the barrel to the tenon... The little pin, as it turns out, did nothing.. although it may have been for indexing if it was installed with a light hand?... best to all, til...lat'r....GT

Range test results
 

Well, all continues to go well? First range test had no serious issues, But, it occasionally left an empty in the chamber, maybe 1 out of 6? So, I had to the replace the extractor spring? After that, on the second range test, two magazines full, and a few more.. no problems, snappy ejection, all is well! Now, in the mail and back to Alex... :thumbup:... Best to all, til....lat'r.....GT

Well done!

Good example of an reasonable idea, but the implementation was faulty; had a good solid
fastening been used, it woulda' worked- and probably did for a while. :)

reminds me?
 

Hi to all, the revolver barrel reminds me of a humbling story / situation when I was in my late twenties, I, and a very close friend decided to go on a Moose hunt in Northern Canada! We drove for two days straight, and then a bush pilot flew us, our guide and gear, and a 20' Grumman canoe, another 80 miles in the bush... We hunted for 6 days straight, and only saw a cow and calf, so no big bull to bring home. But, on about the fourth or fifth day.. we came across two native Indian hunters that had paddled and portaged the same 80 miles we had flown! The had two giant bull moose down and were drying the meat on racks so they could better portage and paddle it out. While we were visiting with them, I noticed there rifle of choice was laying in the canoe and it could be described as follows.. A Winchester model 94, with the following modifications? The stock was broken off right behind the tang, and the remnants were held together with black electrical tape. The forearm was taped in the same way, only lots more of it! The rear sight was missing, and the barrel was crudely cut off at a slight angle... The details were hard to see clearly as the whole rifle was in about 3" of water on the floor of the canoe!!! They didn't even have the right ammo?
After our visit, as we paddled away, with all of our now useless high tech gear, realizing our hunt was practically over, my partner said in a low tone, "They shot our Moose!" and after reviewing their effort compared to ours.. I said, no, "they shot their moose".. To this day, if some one says they have been on a serious Moose hunt in northern Canada, I say turn around, and they ask why? I say, I want to see if the word Grumman is imprinted on you butt!!! :eek::thumbup:.. best to all, til....lat'r.....GT