Normandy attic find? HUH?
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-...MAAOSwushdmjfa


This shows the lengths scammers will go to for a buck.

All it takes is one sucker believing the hype!!

Well, it does have some sand on it.

out of curiosity, is it a fake holster, or just the made up story bs?

Extremely fake holster James..The story..is just another story.

this is why I only buy from reputable members on here :thumbup:

When your Luger salesman looks like this

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...gif&f=1&nofb=1

Hesitate.

Not that I particularly follow that advice myself.

As far as looking at the photos, two things stand out to me. The first is the color of the leather on the interior. Too grey. The second, the belt loops are still "round" at the top. They've never been on a belt for any period of time. All my "real" holsters have "flattened" belt loops. But I'm certainly no expert here. Novice at best.

Doug, This thing screams fake from every angle! It's a case study of forget about the story and look at the holster. I bet I could point out at least a dozen RED FLAG pointers. But I am busy packing my stuff for a trip to my Winter compound in sunny Arizona and fretting a forest fire next ridge over..


Current bid:
GBP 160.00 Somebody is going to get a bad spanking here...With shipping that's North of $200 USD. For a (filthy) $19.95 repro! Amazing...
I have heard the Luger market is a tad soft but this proves that NOT TRUE!

Wish I still had a dog, that holster would make a great chew toy if you smeared a little bacon grease on it.

Don't forget to remove the steel buckle for your pet's safety!

The belt loops are too high and the left one usually touches the top of the middle stitching row and the pull strap loop stitches. I think it's enough to be highly suspect.

Joop's reference shows the Waffen code WaA170 has 4 manufactures listed (p 667):
Alban Zeitz / bbq Ehrhardt und Kirsten Leipzig 1941 / hsu / bib Otto Graf, Leipzig 1940-42)

The maker stamp looks like "CLEUNERBER GmbH" or "CLEUNERBERG" to me. The first and last letters are messed up. I can't find any references to that business name or leather shop. It may be a copy of a real stamp, but I just can't find anything close to it. Leipsig is close to BAUDTZEN (a real town) - both are near Dresden in Southeast Germany. (I blew up the photo a bit - the other photo is my 1942 DLU from DRESDEN - closest I have).

But, the stamp area is smeared with what looks like black ink or a bad attempt to clean it off or both.

There should be a "." in the "PO8" stamp.

I'm no any kind of expert, but I have thumbed through a few reference books.

Could someone just report this to ebay?

If you don't think there are "police" at eBay, try selling a Hermes scarf there...

Well that's unfortunate. I reported him, anyway. Dont think ebay will do anything about it.

My Wife says I am a know it all but what is a Hermes scarf?


An Hermes scarf is an iconic accessory stitched with a strong sense of history and luxury. Silk scarves, cashmere scarves, and vintage scarves by Hermes can be tied in many ways on your body or your handbags and can even be used as decorative pieces at home.


Google to the rescue..I see why that's bad...NOT?

eBay doesn't know everything about everything. They can't tell real from replica, and just cause YOU say it's one thing..they cannot make any determination towards authenticity. What they WILL kick off is a swastica if you complain about it. But only IF they get a complaint.

Recently a 32 round Artillery snail drum sold on eBay. Not a peep out of them because they don't know what it was! AND no one snitched.

Yea, that's true, but if he decides to sell other counterfeit items in other fields, and more complain, the mounting complaints COULD come down on him eventually. Doesnt hurt to try. Theres a saying in the airline pilot world, if you dont ever write up a broken item, itll never get fixed.

Only if Donkeys fly!!!!!

That's true.

There is even a very small but real possibility that it is genuine- despite our collective expert observations damning it to reproduction status. JMHO.



I would LOVE to have ANYONE explain to me how this is even remotely the case because it isn't. NEVER has there been an original German Luger holster made this way. It is made EXACTLY how cheap repros are made by Pakistani fools that produce them from pictures or descriptions handed down through generations of verbal folklore. To suggest otherwise is irresponsible and a disservice to the collecting community.

Already Sky Zero has taken the bait in the post above.

The probability is not small. It is a repro, nothing else.

To suggest this $40 repro is anything else and even to hint it might be original is not doing anyone a favor. Except the seller...

philosophical point and I stand by it.



The study of Luger holsters made by and for the German civilian/military during 1900 to 1945 has never been contemplated by philosophers.This holster is 100% bad and a repro. There is no question about it and no cognizant argument can be made by anyone who has even a passing knowledge of the subject. Some things in life do not fall under the mystic spell of philosophy. They just are what they are and sensible people know and accept that without dragging in and blaming philosophers.

If you have a dog. No matter how much you philosophize or use college reasoning you are never going to make it into a cat. Sorry but that's the real world. Bill

Quite simple:

He bought a $40 reproduction holster on Ebay. Yes, there are countries that are creating crap like this at an alarming (and cheap hourly) rate.

Then he buried it in a bucket of dirt for a couple of days.

After that he put it on Ebay at an inflated price.

Not exactly rocket science.

Mister Sunshine, asked & answered.

Hi all,
The make seems to be C.Leuner GmbH in Bautzen 1941. Many repro holsters offered in Europe are signed with this maker's name.
It must however be said that the seller did not state that the holster is original. An attic find is not an indication of an items originality.
Armin

Here's another VERY bad fake the guy claims to be "original"



https://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Holst...YAAOSwrzBdo4Wy

Looks like it was scuffed up with scotch brite.
And oh my god that stitching...

Interesting factoid..Notice the shape of the tool pouch closure flap on BOTH of these horrid examples. See how pointy they are? INSTANT tell...Among a dozen other tells...

The holster sold for $284 with 3 different bidders wanting it. The seller has a 60 day return policy and will probably get it back when the buyer realizes he bought the story and not the holster.
Some pictures for the record.