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I have a 1937 S/42, no straw, with a gothic "S" (The "S" that's pointy) stamped on the inside of the frame in the flat behind the takedown lever. Just curious if it could be a leftover frame from the 1934 "K" series or something else really cool, or nothing important. I'd send pics but I'm not good at it and was flamed last time I sent pics of a Krieghoff. Thanks to whoever replies! Mike

Could just be an inspectors mark. Bill

Don't feel bad - the armchair experts here flame everyone. :( I was flamed on my very first post. Luckily, I stuck it out, posted pics of everything I do, and I am now the most-loved member of the forum. :)

Endeavor to persevere! ;)

It seems like most of the time the letters stamped on the inside are inspector's marks and not very significant in the grand scheme of things.
dju

I just read your posting on plum colored krieghoff - if you think thats being flamed, than hopefully you aren't on many other boards, because folks can really be jerks! :)

Seriously - I think folks telling you that it wasn't normal for kreighoffs to be off-color isn't flaming to me? (( but I didn't read everything)) As Krieghoff's (to my dismay) are always the super luger to get while my favorite is the red-headed step-child Simson....

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Oh no, I didn't think the comments on the plum Luger were flaming. The comment's like "Grab yourself a big heapin eyeful of how to post pictures on the new members link" and "Despite your pictures being bloody awful" and "Your pictures are hardly helpful" etc were. I'm about to turn 53, grew up without computers, and just learned how to use one in about 2010. I worked in factories and construction my whole life and didn't need to "Contact friends on facebook". I own a flip phone; not a smartphone. I had a friend come over and take the pictures with hers and I thought they were really good, only to be treated like a retarded child on the site. I've collected many guns, and many Lugers over the past 35 years, (60+) and have a fairly good knowledge base. I had a 74 MGB for a few years and encountered the same attitude on their sites....A bunch of people wanting to prove how much more they knew than you, and how backward you were for attempting their hobby. It turns people off and drives them away.....

MIke I'm sorry you were not treated with courtesy. Most members here make a real effort not to engage in abusive or rude behavior. If you Google search "why are people so rude on the internet" you'll find interesting explanations for it. It has to do with the anonymity and that the speakers can't see each other.

There is an astonishing quantity of expertise on the forums, the occasional flame-blast is in my opinion a reasonable price to pay for the chance to discuss Lugers with these folk.

On photos, please keep trying. On the 'New Collectors Forum' this thread may assist http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php? t=22994 Computers/posting pictures is just like any other learned skill, it takes some study and practice.

It ain't "flaming" if it is true.

While I appreciate that many hold that view, I think the definition of "flaming" is "offensive message". I'd suggest the test is: will the recipient be hurt or offended.

Seems that in today's world , some one is offended by anything.

While I don't think the OP was flamed, he may have been "hurt" by criticism.

I believe it is not our "job" to sugar coat the answers to questions, none of us here are children who need protection from the truth.

JMHO.

"none of us here are children who need protection from the truth."

I wish that were the case...
dju

well, I'll be 58 this year, I would say that I grew up with the same computer knowledge as you, 20 yrs army, however, I did get into them, and now do IT Security for a living.
I don't know you, but my experience for a lot of folks -young and old - is that they don't have the desire to learn computers :)
Some folks on here are older than dirt, and they eventually learn to post pictures, others simply don't have the desire to learn to do so.

Personally I think most folks here go out of their way to help but I guess folks asking for different pictures or the like can be off-putting. But its hard to help, if we aren't told or can see.


AND, by the way, Hell, I don't have 60 lugers :eek: . If you haven't done it yet, sell a luger or two from your large collection and buy some books but we'll still be glad to help you. :cheers:

Try as I might, I cannot find any definition of "flaming" that includes any reference to "truth". Instead I find words like "hostile" and "insulting" as the measures. Perhaps the quotes in post #6 fall into a gray area but at least one member seems to have considered it flaming. Personally, I'd rather the forum be civil and inviting to all and will try to stay away from the gray.

I had a friend who owned a '74 and I drove it/helped him work on it. It was a typical British sports car - difficult to fix and needed fixing constantly. I would expect an online forum of MGB owners to be filled with unhappy people predisposed to flaming.:grr: :)

Unless I'm mistaken, the "heapin' eye-full" line was mine. I intended no derision by it, rather, a suggestion to read the FAQ, albeit phrased in a way that seems to have failed as humor. Though I am not one, every old hand at Lugers was a newbie at some point...and thereafter with computers, and with the forum, too. Misunderstandings can happen anywhere, any time.

4scale,
"flaming" is a made up, nonsense word that I suppose is related to the internet. I'm sure Webster never defined it, and any other "definition" is just someone's opinion. If "truth" is not a part of the definition, it should be.

One guys "hostile" is another guy's "straight talk"; and insulting depends on too many factors to decide. JMHO.

:cheers:

Back to the point I think a couple of close up pictures would help, as somebody says, without pictures is a bit like getting a haircut over the phone by a blind person. :)

Hi Mike,
If my calling your pictures “bloody horrible” upset you, please accept my sincere apologies. I should have called then out-of- focus and poorly lit. Despite that, I did say that I thought your HK looked original.
Norm

Absolutely, 'flaming' is a recent, made-up word. Every word in the language was at one time made up. New words are constantly being added to dictionaries. "Flaming" is in the latest edition of Websters (I have a strange hobby of reading the dictionary for enjoyment;) ). My personal favorite recent made-up word (phrase) that is now in Websters is "dumpster fire":eek:.

I agree that most if not all of the responses that Mike quotes were probably not intended as flaming. I also agree it can be hard to tell at times and intent is often misunderstood by the party who feels scorched.

Oh my. Webster's is on the road to perdition. ;)

Why in the world would dumpster fire need a definition? Or does it have a meaning other than the obvious?

And don't get me cranked up on "gifted" or "hack". :)

I assume the reason Webster’s continues to add lingo into the dictionary is because you have to remember something. Think about the intelligence of the average “ joe” on this planet of 7 billion people. Now remember that half of all people are dumber than that.

And the dictionary I know that does not evolve is the Latin one. That's why they call it a "dead language":evilgrin:

Kurusu,

Yet here we all chime the Latin phrase that brought us our Luger. Igitur si vis pacem, Para Bellum.

The Latin alphabet developed in central Italy about seven centuries B.C. and it's interesting that was made of twenty letters, written only as capital letters until the Middle Age.
FWIK the origin of most languages is Latin although it's not spoken anymore.
I think Latin and English are related mostly because of influence the Normans of William the Conqueror had on the language spoken and written in England when they invaded it in 1066; Latin was mainly used by Queen Elizabeth Ist talking and writing to ambassadors of other European countries.

...And the name 'dumpster' is incorrect. The proper name is 'Dempster Dumpmaster'. :)

How it got to be 'dumpster' I blame on the American Educational System... :grr:

Hi Mike,

I've just read through this thread and want you to know that I would be much happier if you felt welcome here and that you could ask questions and share information comfortably.

Any group of people, be it a social gathering, church, or online gun forum, is a place of interaction between individuals. As a whole, they establish a culture and an expectation for what is normal behavior. That said, individuals are human, and have aptitudes and faults and personalities.

When I first joined this forum, I had recently bought my first Luger and was enthusiastic but quite intimidated by the level and depth of knowledge found here on this forum. It was remarkable. I asked questions that were probably considered repetitive and uninteresting by many experienced members - but I got back polite and (if sometimes tolerant) constructive responses.

I soon learned the degree of complexity and judgement that Luger collecting demands, and decided I found this complication interesting and started buying more books than Luger firearms. When I learned a little more and felt confident I understood the truth of a response, I chose to try and help people that came to the forum with that knowledge. I wanted to help share the knowledge and mentor others. I think that this is the path most members here have taken.

I've learned when I'm wrong quite quickly and sometimes forcefully. Sometimes people express their ego and self-importance in the process. Sometimes they are just frustrated or tired of repeating things.

I must admit that some things do frustrate me. When I really want to help answer a question, but things like photographs don't show enough detail for me to even start I find it frustrating. When a question that comes up repeatedly gets asked again I find it frustrating, but do one of two things in response. I either answer what I know about it or I point to some work that I've spent many hours on, the LugerForum FAQ document. In either case, I hope my response is helpful.

Over the years, I have also worked to actively support historic research relating to Lugers and especially Paul Mauser. During that work I also met the true historians in our field and they have taught me many things - both about the firearms themselves and about how to approach researching them and their makers. They have taught me the difference between speculation - thinking I know the answer - and working with documentary evidence to know the answer.

It is my choice to be nice about it when I respond to a posting. It's my experience that most people choose to be both technically and socially constructive here. But, this has not always been the case. All I can say is that it's better here than at almost every other forum I participate in.

Like everyone here, I'm a volunteer. I also highly respect and humbly appreciate those that have mentored me. I hope that over time you can put experiences in perspective and stick around.

;)Indeed. And that is because Latin hasn't changed for ages.:evilgrin:

And by the way the "Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum" concept, that lead to the arms race of the early XXth Century ended up really well. Next month, on the 11th hour of the 11th month, we may celebrate the centenary of the end of it.;)

A few clarifications..
 

Gentlemen, Thank you for the positive replies. This has turned into something much bigger than it was. I feel welcome here. And for honesty sake, I own 60+ guns, 6 Lugers. Over the years I've probably owned 20. (Lugers). Many of you have mentioned books, I own all the Jan Still books, Imperial, Weimar, Third Reich, and Axis pistols/ Lugers at Random by Kenyon, Krieghoff Parabellum by Gibson, and Standard Catalog of Lugers by Davis. Any other titles that you think are good I will try to pick up! Peace. Mike

Mike, here's a link to the three volume reference book with the most up-to-date, accurate info. https://www.simpsonltd.com/products/k1172 The CD of the contents included with the big books is available separately at a very good price.

Thanks!
 

Just bought em. Thanks again, Mike