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Major Tom 05-13-2018 09:01 AM

Luger Flash suppressor
 
Has anyone seen/have one of these? Made for either 30 cal or 9mm. Clamps securely to muzzle via threaded nut. What would be the value?
Thanks

DonVoigt 05-13-2018 09:12 AM

Are you looking at a cleaning rod guide, or part of a sub-caliber kit?

Without a picture it is hard to answer your question.

John Sabato 05-14-2018 09:54 AM

I would also wager that it is a cleaning rod guide... not a flash suppressor... or the mount for one...

Major Tom 05-14-2018 10:18 AM

Luger Flash Suppressor
 
Listed at phoenix investment arms under 'accessories'.
www.phoenixinvestmentsarms.com/AC12flashsupp.htm

Edward Tinker 05-14-2018 11:15 AM

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I am sure, someone post-factory has made some flash suppressors - but what you usually see is the above or the below

DonVoigt 05-14-2018 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Major Tom (Post 316277)
Listed at phoenix investment arms under 'accessories'.
www.phoenixinvestmentsarms.com/AC12flashsupp.htm

link is no good

Rick W. 05-14-2018 01:27 PM

M.T.,

You link is not quite right.

If one goes to the base link, then accessories, the upper right is the one I suspect.

I always thought it was part of a cleaning function myself.

Looks like a 10 dollar part to me, but that is just me.

John Sabato 05-14-2018 02:25 PM

PIA is incorrect in its identification of this device. This is a bore guide for the cleaning rod. It possesses no design feature which would reduce or eliminate a flash, and merely extends the muzzle by a very short distance...

Here is the corrected URL to see it: http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/AC12flashsupp.htm

Edward Tinker 05-14-2018 03:26 PM

actually the same part can be used for cleaning OR for 4mm / 22 LR -

Major Tom 05-14-2018 05:22 PM

Thank you gents for the info. I thought it looked kinda funky and well over priced.

Bill_in_VA 05-14-2018 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick W. (Post 316282)
[...] the upper right is the one I suspect.[...]

I suspect most things Phoenix Investment has listed on their site.

Rick W. 05-14-2018 08:39 PM

I was trying to help with the link definition, and providing a guess of which part the OP was speaking of.

Sharpsdressed Man 01-30-2020 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato (Post 316283)
PIA is incorrect in its identification of this device. This is a bore guide for the cleaning rod. It possesses no design feature which would reduce or eliminate a flash, and merely extends the muzzle by a very short distance...

Here is the corrected URL to see it: http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/AC12flashsupp.htm

Old thread, but I suspect that this device was also used occasionally to provide for a barrel extension for a sound suppressor without modifying the Luger barrel. The front portion of the device only needs to be threaded to fit the suppressor.

Edward Tinker 01-30-2020 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpsdressed Man (Post 329938)
Old thread, but I suspect that this device was also used occasionally to provide for a barrel extension for a sound suppressor without modifying the Luger barrel. The front portion of the device only needs to be threaded to fit the suppressor.

I think this is one of those myths - and although there is a screw on, on the end, I don't believe it could be used for a suppressor.

LU1900 01-30-2020 07:22 PM

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I just find those pics on the web some year ago

Edward Tinker 01-30-2020 10:51 PM

fascinating Patrice _ will say hat anything is possible

DonVoigt 01-31-2020 09:02 AM

I can't read the description in the book, is it a "flash hider" or sound suppressor?

What is the title of the book?

Patrice, thanks for posting the pictures.

Sharpsdressed Man 01-31-2020 03:15 PM

If I could find a reasonably priced one for my 9mm Luger, I'd buy it and give it ago. I have several registered 9mm suppressors, and could easily get a blank extension threaded for my units. Current ones available on Ebay are for the 7.65MM Luger and P38 only.

DonVoigt 01-31-2020 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpsdressed Man (Post 329967)
If I could find a reasonably priced one for my 9mm Luger, I'd buy it and give it ago. I have several registered 9mm suppressors, and could easily get a blank extension threaded for my units. Current ones available on Ebay are for the 7.65MM Luger and P38 only.

Why?
You would instantly convert your luger to a single shot pistol;
suppressors/silencers don't "silence" anyway- as you no doubt know.

It would be a simple job to thread a spare luger barrel, but switching the barrel requires tools.

If one wanted a look alike, then a modern suppressor won't do the trick either.

JMHO.

Diver6106 01-31-2020 08:35 PM

I believe Ken Kontos of Ebay's Revshop luger parts or Midwest Firearms is making and selling these. For both the PO8 and P38 and designed to lock onto the front blade sight.

Mister Sunshine 02-01-2020 01:55 PM

This has nothing to do with this post, rather it is a way of asking a question. Since I can't figure out how to start a post. I would appreciate it someone would tell me how to start one.

ithacaartist 02-03-2020 02:16 AM

Click on "New Topic" button, top left of each forum section's main page.

Sharpsdressed Man 02-06-2020 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 329968)
Why?
You would instantly convert your luger to a single shot pistol;
suppressors/silencers don't "silence" anyway- as you no doubt know.

It would be a simple job to thread a spare luger barrel, but switching the barrel requires tools.

If one wanted a look alike, then a modern suppressor won't do the trick either.

JMHO.

I'm not the only one who thinks it is feasible. :)

https://www.google.com/search?rls=co...w=1366&bih=566

DonVoigt 02-06-2020 02:23 PM

Can it be done yes, with the drawbacks I mentioned.

But still - Why? For an engineering/building challenge fine; but practical not really. JMHO.

Sharpsdressed Man 02-07-2020 04:03 PM

The most practical adaptation of a Luger for use with a suppressor might be done by threading the area where the front sight now sits, and making a band/thread protector with a proper front sight mounted and aligned. This would be a bit pricy, but would make for an aesthetic solution. Another approach would be an integral suppressor, fitted to the barrel with a sight mounted at the end of the can. One just has to let go of the concept that ALL Lugers are meant to be collectors items and left original. Just like other guns, Lugers are also tools, and were meant to be shot. Adding suppression just makes them more FUN to shoot. That is why. :)

Proofed 02-09-2020 02:16 PM

Gortz & Sturgess 3 vol. set page 1421
Seems the Brits were working on silencers as a tool in WWII

DonVoigt 02-09-2020 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpsdressed Man (Post 330029)
The most practical adaptation of a Luger for use with a suppressor might be done by threading the area where the front sight now sits, and making a band/thread protector with a proper front sight mounted and aligned. This would be a bit pricy, but would make for an aesthetic solution. Another approach would be an integral suppressor, fitted to the barrel with a sight mounted at the end of the can. One just has to let go of the concept that ALL Lugers are meant to be collectors items and left original. Just like other guns, Lugers are also tools, and were meant to be shot. Adding suppression just makes them more FUN to shoot. That is why. :)

All that is true,
but how much fun is a manually operated suppressed 9mm luger?
I have no reluctance in modifying a luger if there is a reason-so that "concept" has been let go of!

The luger is recoil operated and the weight of a suppressor will not allow it to function as a semi auto.

My point is that the luger is not a good choice for suppression, use of sub-sonic ammo will only increase the function problems, due to the reduced recoil impulse of the lower velocity round.
There are more suitable hosts if one wants to shoot suppressed.

But they do "look" neat, so a light weight dummy suppressor might satisfy the urge to suppress. JMHO

Here is what a luger looks like with a dummy Maxim type suppressor. Maxim is close in vintage to the luger, and may even have been used with one at some time. :cheers:


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