..P08 barrel change to 6"..
 

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(hopefully not too a stupid question).....I'll be getting a P08 (1935) as my "shooter" (already have my collectable - P06 commercial in 7.65 that I'm not shooting, just fondling and looking at..)

my question is..if I were to find a 6" barrel could it replace the 4" (for shooting purposes) ?

if so, any problems - such as the sights being "off", or other problems

thank you, Bill

Whisky,
there was a very similar thread not long ago, the answer is yes the barrel can be changed if you have the proper tools, and there are no problems if it times and head spaces "correctly".

The sights may align, or need tweaking. Will it shoot to point of aim? Depends, front sight height may need to be changed also.

So the definitive answer is yes, maybe! JMHO. ;)

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I thank you for the reply(s)

my thinking is....'cause it'll be a "shooter" it makes more sense that the extra 2" barrel length would make for a more enjoyable range experience - tho, the 4" barrel might "just do it" for me

(simply tossing things around in my mind - while "waiting" for the Lugerman to prep the P08 that - I think - I have coming)

Don - William only asked one question in his whole post. But to accede to your request, I changed my reply. :thumbup:

Simple questions sometimes require more than a "simple" answer.
You didn't need to delete your response, now I'll have to change mine since it makes for strange reading! ;)

He didn't ask for advice either, but mine would be to shoot the 4" for a while and decide if the probably $200 or more cost to change the barrel would be worth it. Better to just buy another luger with a 6" barrel. JMHO. :)

While Lugerman has it would be the time to have the barrel changed, again JMHO.

I will add to this that the distance between sights of a 4 inch barrel Luger is about the same as the one of a 6 inch barrel revolver.

And the 4 inch barrel is accurate enough at 25 meters.http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1524648582

One of my favorite shooters is mismatched 6" 1906AE. With the 6" barrel the sight radius is only a tad bit longer than the 4", but I seem to shoot better with it than I do with a 4" barrel. Plus the .30 Luger is a real *****cat in terms of recoil, recovery, and accuracy.
My .02


Apparently our naughty word filter is just a tad too strict for trusting grown men to not be offended. o_O

Bill, ...Trusting grown men not to be offended? Not the point here.

In my role as the naughty word policeman... better safe than sorry.

It always has been and will be as long as I am a part of the organization, the objective to keep this a "safe" website so members don't have to worry that they might have a child who can read close by, and might have to explain adult themes that they were not even part of...

IMHO there is no justification for using offensive language on this forum. My advice to all, is keep it clean or the admin delete hammer will fall swiftly. :order: :)

Must be a strange word, I can't figure out what a "*****cat" would have been to be "offensive"?
But then I am a little slow sometimes. :)

Hi John,
I respect your motives but I'm not sure it's altogether wise to be overprotective of children. When our four daughters were growing up my wife and I were very careful to watch our language in their presence. My eldest was accepted at Princeton and we were appalled at the foul language she picked up in just one semester, not to mention the heavy drinking that was part of college life back then (this was the early '80's when the drinking age was 18 in NJ). Her younger sisters, including the 5 year old, were soon swearing away with the best of them. I'm happy to report that all turned out OK.
Norm

my goodness you were not raised by lions, leopards or perhaps a house cat not to get the phrase of an easy-going feline ;)

personally I find the 6 inch very nice, I have a couple and have had several in 9mm and 7.65mm and the extra two inches makes a world of difference in feel for me. :)

There are work-arounds for the dedicated scatologists among us. C0ck your pistols, all you pu$$y cats!

I'd agree that a Luger with a 6 inch barrel is about the best of all worlds. They are graceful to handle, look good, and have sufficient distance in between sights to shoot very accurately.
dju

I am fortunate to own 4in. bbl, 5in. bbl(aftermarket), and 6in. bbl Lugers. My overall favorite to shoot is the 5in. bbl Luger. It just seems to balance the best in MY hands. All of my Lugers shoot better than I am capable of shooting. :grr:

It has nothing to do with my ability nor my desire to use "offensive language", John, and I'll kindly ask that you not put words into my mouth. I was simply pointing out that, in my humble opinion only, that the filter was a little too strict. The vernacular synonym for female genitalia that was blocked out is also a non-naughty word. I think of Edward Lear's famous (and apparently offensive to some) poem of the Owl and the "female genitalia Cat", or the nursery rhyme of "VaJayJay Cat, VaJayJay cat, where have you been? I've been to London to visit the Queen. [...]" as examples where the apparently-offensive word is not representative of the female anatomy.

I am now imagining how trying to tell someone that in order the fire the Luger one must "rooster" or "male poultry" the gun by operating the toggle is as stupid as can be. The same word can represent a vernacular synonym for the male genitalia or a male bird or the action/verb for preparing a firearm to fire.

In neither of the above examples, nor my original post, do I see any adult themes. Words by themselves mean nothing; context is everything. Ultimately though, the delete and ban hammers are yours to use however lightly or heavily you choose.

Bill if you will read my statements again, I hope that you will see that there is not even an implication that you desire to use unacceptable language. While your opinion matters, the naughty word list content is not within my control. That is the board owner's territory... I am only one of the moderators, but I take my job seriously... certainly words can have more than one usage or meaning... by precluding the most common misused language, we avoid a downhill roll to more offensive language... This will always be a clean environment. Thanks for your input. :cheers:

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and back to my original question .....replacing the 4" barrel with a 6" was just a thought to see if it could be done (answered, by the way, somewhere above)

should I find that a longer barrel is needed for accuracy I now know that it's possible

thanks

Oh for Pete's sake, or in this case Bill's- striking out any kind of cat is just nuts!
Heaven protect us from the protectors. JMHO.

John,
you sure did seem to be taking "credit" for the striking of the unoffensive part of the post.
If you did not, then why even comment?

Striking words smacks of even more abhorrent 1st and 2nd amendment attacks and in this case only makes for confusion for dumb axx people like me! :)

Guys seriously, we are all here to just discuss Lugers, not debate language functions. Just be civil in your conversations on here and there shouldn’t be any reason to worry about whether or not it’s allowed.

What's new blanky - cat ,
Whoa-oo-whoa-oo-whoa-oh...

With apologies to Tom Jones.....

Yes, we really need a new, young guy to tell us what the forum is about.:cheers:

Hi John,
I think I speak for all forum members when I say that we appreciate the diligence with which you take your duties as a moderator. You make mention above of a "naughty word list" and I think it would help all of us to avoid offense if you would share it with us.
Thanks, Norman

I do my best, you are all a fountain of knowledge and so I would rather enjoy learning about everything you have to offer as opposed to the argument. I am also interested in this because I am curious about barrel changes and other applications. For example, were I to put a Navy or Artillery barrel on a shooter Luger, would that particular Luger be okay to attach the appropriate shoulder stock or would that still be considered an illegal SBR by the NFA guidelines for C&R items?

Here it is - :D

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Did I miss any??? ;)

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dju

Hilarious! :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

I take care of anything that the naughty word list is not capable of, like off color innuendo conversation, that may be offensive... I monitor EVERY post, but do not comment or moderate before it gets posted. Many times, I am alerted to potential language issues that may violate the forum decorum by members who either PM directly, or use the "report post" link that is in each post.

I do not maintain, or even have access to the naughty word list as it is part of the forum software configuration... The only person other than John D. that might have access would be Ed Tinker, as he has some (all?) ADMIN authority in addition to being a discussion moderator...

Cheers to all of you. :cheers:

Feel free to return to Luger discussion now that the commercial break is over.:bigbye:

It would not be legal without SBR registration (and associated $200 tax) as required by the NFA unless the barrel installed is greater than 16 inches...

That is not correct, John. An LP.08 with an artillery stock, nor a Navy Luger with a Navy stock does not require registration under the ‘34 NFA. See Section III on pages 35-6 of the 2007 updates to the C&R list.

Seems like it comes down to an issue of the rear sight. Surely putting a 6" barrel on a P-08 does not make it a Navy, but what if the rear toggle is replaced with the Navy rear sight? Can you then use a Navy stock?
Same with the artillery models. But what about conversions without the receiver cut-away, would a P08 with an artillery barrel and rear sight be an artillery model, legal for use with an artillery stock, if the receiver did not have the cut-away to accommodate the rear sight?
I'm all questions and no answers.
dju

Actually Bill, the issue here is whether or not adding an original, or reproduction barrel will made the pistol exempt from NFA. The answer is no.

The addition of an Artillery barrel, or Navy Barrel to a "shooter" would NOT be exempt if the modified gun receiver was manufactured after the production period for original Artillery or Navy models.

For example, you could not add an Artillery (or Navy) barrel to a Mauser Luger that was produced in 1941 (byf toggle and receiver marked 41), and then consider the pistol to be an "Artillery" Luger under NFA.

The only length barrel you could add to such a shooter that would be considered exempt from NFA would be at least 16" in length. For the attachment of a stock to the gun would not create a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) under NFA.

Any barrel shorter than 16" with any type of stock attached would constitute an SBR under NFA and require both registration and payment of the $200 tax in advance of actually attaching the stock...

John,
Are you "sure"? Do you have guidance from the ATF as detailed as what you wrote?

Suppose your Mauser luger example, has a DWM toggle; or one could argue that the receiver is the replacement part and not the barrel; since the frame is the "gun" anyway! Or just remove the 1941- there are no rules against removing the date!

What you write may seem logical, but we all know that logic does not always apply.
Is not the key here "original configuration"(as written by ATF ) and not original parts?

I do believe this is one of those don't ask the ATF questions; they would have no idea how to answer the question and the entire agency might melt down. Remember these are the guys that approved "bump stocks" and "14" shotguns" recently!

Don, I am not a lawyer and don't play one on TV or Internet forums, but what I am "sure" about is that my words above are clear enough that they could not be misunderstood by ATF and cause them to interpret actions by a law abiding citizen as a technical violation of the NFA.

To play "what if" about replacement of parts and what affect that would have on an ATF agent's interpretation? I totally agree with you... this is one of those don't ask questions...

...better left vague than to get a direct answer to the question from an ATF agent that would only be based on their opinion at the moment and not a published law or regulation reference.