Calls For Repeal Of The Second Amendment
 

A lot of folks I know are totally unaware of current political issues. They rely on corporate media providers for 100% of their news consumption, if they even seek the knowledge at all. Despite your political persuasion, you must admit that the news today is not fair and balanced or is critical of views that support (or don't support) a certain version of the narrative.

The aftermath of this latest mass shooting is different than any of the previous ones in it's intensity and vitriol. Who can deny that the ultimate goal of a large percentage of our politicians, leading a large percentage of the population, seek the end to private ownership of any firearms in the US???

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/o...?smid=tw-share

Just as the Hunter doesn't care about calls to ban "Assault Weapons" and "High Capacity Clips", I wonder what most members of this forum think of calls to outright ban (including current possession) or include in the NFA Registry ANY semi-automatic magazine fed firearm. Do you think that collectible firearms from 100 years ago will be exempt??? Is an M1 Carbine NOT an "Assault Weapon" in the eyes of those who loosely use that term as a political weapon???

My reason for this post is to ask members here;

HOW and WHAT are you actually doing to insure that your Second Amendment Rights are NOT lost overnight, or die a "Death of a Thousand Cuts??? Do you belong to the NRA or the GOA??? Do you support, and VOTE for representatives that will protect your interests??? Do you try to inform and educate people you know about the reality of the situation from the perspective of a responsible gun owner???

Those that think an Australian-style confiscation is NOT the ultimate goal of the backers of this new Youth Movement, are not listening to the actual rhetoric of the vocal key players.

We have now about 2 generations who take their rights, freedoms, and liberties for granted because it has been at least 2 generations since we have had a national incident or conflict which truly posed a truly significant challenge to our way of life and serve as an American rallying call. Fiercely independent as the American culture and people are, that only left us with an internal battle amongst ourselves and far from bringing out the best of us within peace we have instead used this peace to wage an ideological cold war against ourselves and neighbors. Its sad that after we attained world supremacy we will likely be defeated from within, not conquered from abroad.

I understand what you are saying, but I would have to disagree as I lived through 9/11 and my son has gone to war in iraq and Afghanistan. during my 10 months in Iraq, I met a 15 yr soldier with 7 one-year deployments and that is not uncommon. I think Iraq and Afghanistan count as fairly major (and which have lasted longer than the Vietnam War).

Although a hell of a lot fewer Americans serve their country than should.

And saying we will be defeated is a bunch of BS, we may stumble, but we aren't close to collapsing or being defeated!

Another issue is the cessation of the draft.
That was the last thing that connected folks to a sense of national or even societal obligation.

The concept of obligation or duty no longer exists in the population at large.

It's about the world revolving around the individual.

It's not only our failing educational system.
There is a great lacking in our parental structure as well.

It is quite unsettling that David Hogg & his generation are the first in the USA to demonstrate & protest to have their rights reduced, although anyone who believes these kids are the ones organizing this kids movement is truly out of touch.

Very trying times, I have no doubt that the end goal is to totally abolish the 2nd amendment.

Rob

I kid you not, I read an opinion article today in the WP written by former SCOTUS associate justice John Paul Stevens saying exactly this (Repeal the Second Amendment) https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBKKZP0?m=en-us

Its sad that people dont realize the way the founding fathers worded the constitution was to explicitly say that the enumerated Bill of Rights was not a list of rights granted to us by the United States government, but rather are natural rights given to us via our very existence as human beings which the government has no legitimate right to infringe upon. Unfortunately since many of them also owned slaves, those who wish to take away these rights have huge amounts of ad-hominem attack ammo. None of their arguments ever address the wordings and legitmate intent of the writing of the constitution, they instead just attack the founding fathers as slave owners or try to claim that natural human rights are dependent on time somehow.

Hogg and co. can protest, but the actual victims of tyranny tend to be silent.

The US congress with approval from the States has the capability of eliminating the Second Amendment. Never forget this.

We have changed our core system several times and already made mistakes doing it. A mistake in this area probably could not be survived for long. This was the fate of Weimar Germany within five years of their 1928 "gun control" legislation.

The current grabber strategy is "death by 1,000 cuts" and is being accomplished as the new standard of "intermediate scrutiny" of the constitutionality of infringing laws is applied post Heller and MacDonald. "Strict scrutiny" would require the justices to follow the actual words of the constitution and amendments, but that is not the standard being used.

Once the anti-gun minions have worn out that strategy, expect them to morph to different ones.

The name David Hogg may not be known to many on this Forum.

Some here may not be aware of the NRA spokesman named Colion Noir. If you have not heard him speak, you WILL enjoy this following clip of him in action;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV_Jz3-BfdQ :rockon:

Look at some of the links also posted on this link for perspective.

If you want a laugh courtesy of a schoolmate of Hogg's;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxSGTBQUoB4 :thumbup:

Those States that have passed laws raising the age to legally buy a Long Gun from 18 to 21 since the shooting have had the rebound affect of causing 18-20 year olds to flock to the NRA and others with memberships and donations;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldhl2-Qqiwk

Maybe the Tide Pod Eaters generation is NOT as lost as they may seem based on the Nightly News. If you don't know what Tide Pod Eaters are, you'll have to GOOGLE that one on your own. :eek:

I am so concerned that this country has lost it way and is heading in the wrong direction. The culture and moral compass is slowly disintegrating, I fear. So sad. Our parents and grand parents would never accept this status quo and what the millenials claim is "progress". We need to be strong and fight this decline.

I love you all although we might disagree on some matters. I feel safe that our group is always there to exchange and often debate our passion. God Bless and pass on our common interest to all! A safe place for Our Luger Family! An outlet of us all!! That is always welcomed by all~It seems so many have lost their manners~ My true love to you all! Eric

I just keep on buying arms and ammunition. I am not a violent man and I would never raise my fist against another unless forced to. But I'll be silently waiting at Lexington when the British come a marchin'.

We have met the enemy...and he is us.

pogo

So true, Jerry. With the USAs morale decay, we need to be more concerned about our self destruction than from foreign enemies that would harm us.

Mr. Common Sense died an the Mrs. our humanity is feeling very ill. The USA is a fragile Republic, ours to hold on to..as long as we can. The 2nd is only one of the bill of rights that makes this great country unique in all the World. To think we should let ignorant school children give away rights so many have bled and died for because a schoolchild they bullied went insane and killed some, is insane in itself and a knee jerk reaction. Personally I swore an oath to the Constitution. To defend it against all enemy's both foreign and domestic. These people could be setting us up for a 2nd revolution and civil war.

Moral decline of our society started when a few obnoxious people pushed for and acheived taking away parental rights. Taking away prayer and pledge of allegence in schools was wrong.

What do you expect when the last great "Commander in Chief", or "divider in chief" appointed a converted muslim to direct the CIA, who just so happened to vote for the communist candidate in the 1980 election. The old peanut farmer from Ga was even too conservative for him. Then this former CIA director is part of the group trying to take down our current president.

Then 44 had his right hand man, or woman, Val, who admitted that her agenda was to further Iran. The millions oblamo sent them are now, or will be, used against us and our allies. Just look at the recent missiles shot into Saudi Arabia .

I donate persistently in response to the NRA's equally persistent needs for more income. I don't know if the NRA will be able to save us in the end. My donations to NRA-IL, NRA-PV Fund and the NRA may amount to $600 a year in $50 increments and I know that is nowhere near a meaningful help at all.

David

Many here may not know it, but I am one of the directors of our state's gun rights organization, Grass Roots North Carolina.

I generally keep my political activity out of our forum, but since we've been discussing things here, I'll share my BLOG with the membership:

https://skilledshot.wordpress.com/

As an organization, we have helped write and establish the NC Concealed Carry Handgun permit system back in the 1990's, and have helped write and pass three major gun rights improvements since 2011. H650 gave us Castle Doctrine, H937 in 2013 and H562 in 2015 both implemented a large number of changes.

Understand that much of what the anti-gun people are doing today is based upon manipulation of impressionable young people, a huge injection of money (many millions last weekend) and the collusion of a mainstream media that is carrying out a propaganda fueled agenda.

For example, in 2016 one of the grabber's own progressive "research" organizations funded by Bloomberg, Johns Hopkins University, published a study that was widely acknowledged by the medical community. In it they calculated that 250,000 annual deaths are caused by medical error and physician negligence, and they advised changing the way death certificates are coded as a result.

According to digital analysis that actually counted people in photographs, there were 202,000 plus or minus 15% attending the Washington gun grabber rally.

It's not in the media's interest to go against the gun grabbers and publish truth like that. Instead they just repeat "Parkland school victims" and "victims of gun violence" over and over again. Many more people are actually dying because of the medical profession. Of course the doctors "mean well", don't they, and the gun grabbers are working "for the children"...

This means that those students are thousands of times more at risk going to the doctor than in going to school, and that the equivalent of every one of the Washington marchers will be dead within one year due to medical errors and negligence.

Furthermore, the "Rapper" that sang to the marchers was arrested a year ago for a concealed carry gun violation. The organizers refused to let a Parkland student "survivor" speak because he disagrees with them, and their chief spokesman "victim" was elsewhere far from the actual scene when he was victimized by "hearing the shots".

The stories of lies, deceit, manipulation, and press propaganda go on and on... Unfortunately perceptions are reality, and they are winning the "popularity" war - at least if you listen to the press and some Republican politicians that are apparently running scared.

I know that they appear to be dragging their feet in the North Carolina legislature's super majority Republican house and senate.

I am grateful to see the access to the blog. Previously, I have had no idea where to go to obtain reliable information.

David

I'm glad that this thread has sparked the contributors to share their POVs.

Maybe I should have asked for it to be a "Poll", or a "Checklist", as regarding what you are doing to be pro-active in response to the Grabbers.

Yes Jerry, the enemy IS us if we each do nothing to influence the outcome in our own small way.

I think that the main weapon we have is the Ballot Box, because after all, it is elected politicians that are our enemy in this fight (as well as any fight we face in defense of the American Way, not a Globalist agenda). We dodged a fatal bullet in the last election for POTUS. What do you think the current climate would be today if it had gone the other way???

Having an "R" or a "D" after a politician's name is no indication of their intent to support the 2A. However, the 2A would be history today if the deck was stacked in DC now like it was after the '08 election. We need another Supreme to be replaced in the next 2 1/2 years for obvious reasons. RHINOs like McCain and Flake are toxic to the values of the people that likely voted for them more out of party loyalty than sense. Politicians LIE ..... PERIOD. Politicians are for SALE to the highest bidder ..... PERIOD. Make SURE you VOTE, and make SURE you vote for someone you really have faith in.

Educate and influence others that you meet. Most people are like SHEEP, grazing on life totally oblivious to anything they are not spoon-fed by the media (news, sports and entertainment from the Hollywood elite). I make posts like this in order to be proactive in the fight. Everyone I am close to (friends, employers, co-workers, ... etc.) are aware and informed. I don't spend time conversing with obvious political partisans that base their politics on emotions, you can't debate someone who only has emotions and feelings supporting their POV.

SHEEP are also voters. Help open their eyes every chance you get, and hope they will do the same for others they know.

Hey David, finding the truth is hard. It's really as they say, there are 3 sides to every story, My side, Your side, and the TRUTH.

Limbaugh is pretty good at keeping emotion out of his act, and can't be faulted for not being factual.

Alex Jones is a high energy performer, but his co-contributors are spot-on, as well as his guests (Roger Stone is a regular, along with other notables), most articles on this venue have a "Read More" link at the bottom and will take you to the original respected source of the information.

Content on You Tube is now being heavily censored gun-wise after the recent shooting, but links to You Tube will expose you to many similar postings in the right hand column.

You will often find US news way ahead of time by going to the UK Daily Mail of all places.

Do a GOOGLE search by typing in ANY topic you are interested in, and you will get some response and you will get links to read.

There's 3 sides to EVERY story, it's up to you to decide your version to believe after comparing what is offered.

:cheers:

Check out the rising star of the American Left. Warning! He's got quite a nasty way of speaking.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/david-hogg-wild/

I just remembered this commentator. She is a Syrian citizen and shares a unique view of the situation there. She's also VERY ..... :rockon:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZRvp6w4wc

There is quite a bit of speculation about his past. He has a history of creating confrontational videos while in Cali. His father is a recently retired FBI agent. He will likely be seen as a CNN figurehead in the future. Some quip that he wants an FWB date with Anderson Cooper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76advGTYIpo

Check out the links on this vid for more insight.

That little opportunist is a pawn of the left

I usually stay out of political discussion concerning US matters and its 2nd Amendment (which I admire) as I am not a US citizen and live abroad.

HOWEVER, I live in a country (Brazil) that is a screaming proof on how gun control DOES NOT work - or, if you prefer, only work against law abbiding citizens. Since the passing of a very restrictive law in 2003, that actually ended the right of an ordinary citizen of carrying a self defense weapon and almost make it impossible to even own a firearm, crime rate sky rocketed. You just need to see what is going on in Rio de Janeiro. Criminals (no matter their motivation) just don't give a damn for laws, that's the fact. Hence only the good people is affected, as they die denfeseless.

Again, I'm not a "Apocalypse Profeth" that claim something only to sow terror to the other party. I am currently living in country were the crime became widespread because of the same agenda you are now facing in US. It took 15 long years (and 60,000 murders per year) to have the chance to regain our rights again. But it is under discussion at the Brazilian Congress.

My advice: do NOT give up your rights, fight for the 2nd Amendment - even if you think it is not perfect. If they manage to score even the small concession, they will claim for more.
Words of someone that was in your place, years ago.

...except this never happened. Prayer is certainly allowed in schools, it's simply that it cannot be required, or led by school employees. Kids can take a wheel barrow full of bibles to school, or pray their guts out as long as they do it on their own.

The exhortations in 1990s' Berlin to "tear down that wall" were proper. Just as proper are the sentiments--over 200 years old--to "build up that wall," which is the one between church and state, a cornerstone of our secular democracy.

Although it doesn't rule it out, religiosity of any stripe does not automatically imbue morality. The notion that they are tied together is not productive, or even rational.

Here is some good analysis on the "March for life" that I had not heard elsewhere.

https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=23259

https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=23287

And some rock solid analysis on gun violence in America.

https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=23313

Bills daily "No Spin News" podcast has some of the best news coverage I can find.

Rob

The gun control advocates say that "the American people doesn't want guns". Strangely enough, every time a new gun ban is discussed you'll see people running to the gun stores to stockpile guns and ammo. That alone is solid proof of what people really want. Maybe they just want themselves to have guns, but nobody else? Kinda like the criminals want it to be?

Hi,

I totally but respectfully disagree with you here.

In the Bill of Rights, the founders were specifically reacting to the time cherished European custom of making all citizens adopt the same religion as their ruler. The King of England's religion, therefore, had to be your religion. Ever wonder why so many of the early American settlers were of various religious minorities? They were fleeing this "requirement".

The separation of church and state "doctrine" sprang from a Supreme Court decision of Roosevelt's liberal court of that period. Before that time, their's was not the general interpretation of the First Amendment at all. Please read George Washington's Fair Well Address to the Nation in which he states that a non Christian democracy simply wouldn't work. I believe he has been proven correct!

This sounds like today, doesn't it? No commonality of accepted morality at all. Simply do your own thing!! Murder as many class mates as you want, and afterwards, claim that you are some kind of a victim!

I believe the notion that religion and morality are tied together is quite obvious to any deeply thinking man familiar with both, as our "non religious" (secular) society is now in the process of proving.


Respectfully,

Sieger

I think discussion of "politics and religion" has no place in this forum; it will only lead to bad feelings.

Hogg and gang must not have studied the Civil War!!

Sieger

Now is the time to actually do something to protect gun ownership and our collecting hobby.

The anti-gun zealots have clearly revealed their end-state agenda, and that is repeal of the Second Amendment and elimination of civilian gun ownership in the USA.

It's now the responsibility of each and every one of us to do something to oppose this tyranny - and to do so because the results are irreversible and, for our liberty, final. I don't think our system would survive the crime, terrorism and abuse of citizens that would follow.

Right now, identify candidates running in the primary that support the right to own firearms to defend yourself without question or wiggle room. Help them unseat the politicians that thing their power is more important than your rights.

Start behaving as a minority that is discriminated against in our society with prejudice. You may think you're invisible, but that creates an opportunity for systematic violation of your right to bear arms. When they can't see you out there, it's much easier for politicians to either do nothing, or outright infringe more gun rights.

Make it clear to the people you know that these very loud but very deluded gun grabbers are wrong, and tell them why. Don't let them get away with assuming they are right just because they are profane and loud.

Hi,

Respectfully, my comments were not addressed to you.

If John wishes to remove my post, he may.


Sieger

Sometimes bad feelings need to be exposed.

THANK YOU!

As a person who isn't a member of the 3 big Abrahamic Monotheisms, I get nervous about requiring kids to pray to any particular deity in school, or promulgating someone else's religion over an individual's freedom of choice. Our founding father's were VERY clear in wanting to keep any one religion from dominating the public sphere; unfortunately, a huge amount of revisionism has taken place over the last 242 (if I'm counting correctly) years and has given rise to fanaticism exceeded only in the middle east.

Hi,

You might also enjoy reading Hitler's Gun Control Law, as well as, his personal comments regarding it.

Sieger

Hi,

Again, very respectfully, my family was here and voted on The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, in Washington County, PA., in 1789-1790

The establishment clause was never meant to guarantee freedom FROM religion, but rather, freedom OF religion (right to chose a religion, or, none at all).

RESPECTING everyone's choice on this matter is best practices.


Sieger

Interesting quotes from some founding fathers listed below. Of course they don't teach this in school. I recall my teacher claiming that many of these men were non Christian or atheists.
You know liberals used to love Jefferson. I guess not so much anymore.

"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."
– John Adams

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
– John Adams

"Oh, eternal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words and work. Wash away my sins in the immaculate blood of the Lamb and purge my heart by Thy Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of Thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in Thy fear, and dying in Thy favor, I may in thy appointed time obtain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy son, Jesus Christ."
– George Washington, Prayer

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”
– Benjamin Franklin

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
– Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

"The Christian religion is the best religion that has ever been given to man."
– Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial