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Edward Tinker 02-12-2017 06:26 PM

Eugene's 45 ACP Luger - completed and for sale :)
 
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I've said for a long time that if there was a shootable 45 ACP Luger I'd buy it - guess I'd have to sell my 9mm Carbine to get one right now.

But it feels really good in your hand and weighs approx 4 oz less than a 1911A1.

He said he had 12 working copies and sold 5 or 6 already and shipping them in March if I remember right. He has 5 ready to sell. I am not pumping up for sales for Eugene, but he did like I hoped and had models ready to buy rather than taking sales. Within the month I think he will have another dozen as he made frames, uppers and all the parts and just needs to hand-fit.

No magazines, so thats an issue...

sheepherder 02-12-2017 07:45 PM

I say (again!) that Eugene should have developed a repro Borchardt C93 rather than a .45 Luger... :mad:

I would pay the $5,000 for a Borchardt copy...but not for a .45 Luger copy... :thumbup:

What's Eugene's toggle logo??? I can't make it out...Is it intertwined dollar signs??? :p

DonVoigt 02-12-2017 08:28 PM

Nice work, but why groove the rear of the frame for a lanyard loop and then not install a loop?

Does he plan on making mags? or are these just wall hangers?

Tough to load a luger without a mag!

Zorba 02-12-2017 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 298705)
i say (again!) that eugene should have developed a repro borchardt c93 rather than a .45 luger... :mad:

word.

sheepherder 02-12-2017 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 298707)
Nice work, but why groove the rear of the frame for a lanyard loop and then not install a loop?

Or a stock lug. His site says he'll offer different barrel lengths and a carbine option...

http://www.lugerman.com/Pages/MainPages/Luger45.html

Even a 'blank' stock lug, like the stainless Lugers.

"10 monthly payments of $500 buys a seat in the second batch of Lugers." :)

Get your order in now! :thumbup:

Edward Tinker 02-12-2017 10:18 PM

I too would love a Borchardt shooter, but I think the market is a lot smaller - a LOT smaller audience who would want one. And incredibly intricate to make?
Although the Borchardt has been in many gun magazines - the 45 Luger has been prominent in Guns & Ammo, TV, and labeled as the 'million' dollar gun.

The blue prints were of the 2nd 45 Luger, the first one known is in the Norton Museum.

Ed

sheepherder 02-12-2017 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker (Post 298717)
I too would love a Borchardt shooter, but I think the market is a lot smaller - a LOT smaller audience who would want one. And incredibly intricate to make?

I have the Japanese C93 modelgun made by Craft Apple Works. It was modeled on a 'real' C93 bought by the company's owner/founder, Mr Hongo. He copied it exactly, even down to the serial number. The web site had pictures of the 'real' C93 and the modelgun parts, showing how they were interchangeable (but being mostly plastic, obviously not practical).

I did a thread on that modelgun on this forum. I also copied all the web site pics before I bought the modelgun. It is an accurate 1:1 rendering, except for firing pin and bore/rifling. (It can't be made to fire live rounds).

I originally had thoughts of copying the dimensions into CAD for CNC workstation 'production'. But I don't know of anyone who could transfer/reverse engineer the dimensions into usable drawings/CAD. And I don't have a CNC workstation. :(

I've stripped it and it is amazingly accurate as to disassembly and function. It chambers, 'fires', and ejects shells.

It is not particularly intricate as far as machineability. It was made at a time when machine tools were much simpler, and fewer in number and function. IMO, it's simpler than a Luger.

If I still had my Bridgeport mill and South Bend lathe, it would be within my capability to make one, given enough time. :rolleyes:

A CNC workststion would be much simpler. Load the CAD/CAM software and let it run overnight. Enough nights would yield a complete set of parts. :thumbup:

alanint 02-13-2017 07:14 AM

Whatever happened to the Borchardt replica a member here was fabricating a year or so ago? I would to see the finished product!

Norme 02-13-2017 07:57 AM

I've never understood the attraction of 45 cal Lugers, when I want to shoot 45ACP I do so in a 1911, like nature intended.
Norm

sheepherder 02-13-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 298724)
Whatever happened to the Borchardt replica a member here was fabricating a year or so ago? I would to see the finished product!

That was tennbill2. He posted a series of small blurry pics but never followed up with larger clear pics. Never responded to emails/PMs either. I would like to see more detailed pics too. :)

Maybe he's planning a run of repros. :D

Edward Tinker 02-13-2017 09:19 AM

tennbill2 - last time he came onto the forum was January 2016

BUT, the Luger was MADE in 45 acp - just as the German Gods desired...

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My favorite handgun is the 1911A1 - simply because it feels like a real gun to me, and is what I carried for many years in the army

spacecoast 02-13-2017 10:05 AM

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I've never understood the attraction of 45 cal Lugers, when I want to shoot 45ACP I do so in a 1911, like nature intended.
Norm, I guess you must hate the 9mm 1911s, right? ;)

spacecoast 02-13-2017 10:09 AM

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What's Eugene's toggle logo??? I can't make it out...Is it intertwined dollar signs???
Looks like "LMI"

John Sabato 02-13-2017 10:30 AM

I never thought I would make this statement, but my hats off to Eugene for actually producing the item before offering it for sale... :eek:

It looks like a great buy at less than half of what Mike Krause made his CNC copies... If I had 5 big ones laying around, it would already be in my safe... I am impressed, and I don't impress easily.:thumbup:

Olle 02-14-2017 09:02 AM

Considering the magnitude of the project, I'd say that the price is very reasonable. But what's up with the mag? It's not like you can call Triple K or MecGar and order one, so is he planning to make them? Not that I have $5k laying around to buy a gun like this, but the mag would be a huge deal breaker to me.

And I do believe the C93 is a very viable option. We're talking about very low production numbers, so I don't think it's even remotely possible for Eugene to saturate the market. If I had to guess, it would probably not even be possible for him to meet the demand.

sheepherder 02-14-2017 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Olle (Post 298787)
And I do believe the C93 is a very viable option. We're talking about very low production numbers, so I don't think it's even remotely possible for Eugene to saturate the market. If I had to guess, it would probably not even be possible for him to meet the demand.

Eugene wasn't interested in a C93 'project'. Eugene wanted a .45 Luger. Now he has one. :)

cirelaw 02-14-2017 09:31 AM

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/w...-dollar-luger/ Eric

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 298707)
Nice work, but why groove the rear of the frame for a lanyard loop and then not install a loop?

Does he plan on making mags? or are these just wall hangers?

Tough to load a luger without a mag!

Gun pictured was tested already,

mags are coming, loop will be installed as well.

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 10:32 AM

C93
 
C93 is not a bad idea,

maybe i can make some... send me the blueprints ...

cirelaw 02-14-2017 10:55 AM

Eugene, I commend your enthusiasm and strive for perfection!!

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 10:59 AM

Number 10 is sold,
Only one is avalalbe from the first batch...

sheepherder 02-14-2017 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LugerMan.com (Post 298796)
C93 is not a bad idea,

maybe i can make some... send me the blueprints ...

Tell me where to find them... :rolleyes:

Mr. Hondo would have a complete set, reverse engineered from his actual Borchardt. In Japanese, of course, and Metric... :rolleyes:

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 12:51 PM

First batch is sold out by 11:30 AM on 2/14/2017
Second batch is avalalbe.

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 01:54 PM

4 units sold from a second batch as of 2 PM

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 298806)
Tell me where to find them... :rolleyes:

Mr. Hondo would have a complete set, reverse engineered from his actual Borchardt. In Japanese, of course, and Metric... :rolleyes:

Send me the gun i will make blue prints myself...

sheepherder 02-14-2017 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LugerMan.com (Post 298814)
Send me the gun i will make blue prints myself...

Ron Wood here on Forum has original C93 Borchardt. Perhaps you could persuade Ron to loan you his C93 if you loan him your .45 Luger...For a limited time, of course... :)

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 298818)
Ron Wood here on Forum has original C93 Borchardt. Perhaps you could persuade Ron to loan you his C93 if you loan him your .45 Luger...For a limited time, of course... :)

Interesting,

only we got to stay focused and complete the 45 orders first ;0)

But i like the C93 idea , may be i will just buy one with time...

Olle 02-14-2017 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LugerMan.com (Post 298820)
Interesting,

only we got to stay focused and complete the 45 orders first ;0)

But i like the C93 idea , may be i will just buy one with time...

I think Ron was talking about selling his, so you may want to check with him. It's not like the are getting cheaper, so I don't think you have anything to lose by buying one. They are pretty pricey, but probably safer than money in the bank.

Edward Tinker 02-14-2017 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LugerMan.com (Post 298812)
4 units sold from a second batch as of 2 PM

gawd, I hope I am getting some kind of kick-back from this :eek:
:rolleyes::cool::rolleyes:

DonVoigt 02-14-2017 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker (Post 298832)
gawd, I hope I am getting some kind of kick-back from this :eek:
:rolleyes::cool::rolleyes:

Somewhere I read this .45 luger does not "kick"!

Yeah, right!:rolleyes:

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 04:52 PM

5 units sold from a second batch as of 5 PM

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker (Post 298832)
gawd, I hope I am getting some kind of kick-back from this :eek:
:rolleyes::cool::rolleyes:

I may sell you a test gun after the trial is over ;0):surr::surr:

sheepherder 02-14-2017 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Olle (Post 298828)
I think Ron was talking about selling his, so you may want to check with him. It's not like the are getting cheaper, so I don't think you have anything to lose by buying one. They are pretty pricey, but probably safer than money in the bank.

If Eugene can offer a repro C93 for the same amount he is selling the .45 Luger for, then I have the cash on hand to buy one. I sold off all my motorcycles (5!) and spares last weekend. I am in the unusual position of having $$$ but don't have any plans for it.

A Borchardt replica would do nicely. :thumbup:

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 298834)
Somewhere I read this .45 luger does not "kick"!

Yeah, right!:rolleyes:

Actually it is a very soft shooting gun, with about as much recoil as standard Luger, maybe a bit less.

I think it will be very good and light platform for 10mm hunting guns.

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 06:52 PM

6 units sold from second batch ... 22 are up for grabs

SteveM 02-14-2017 07:04 PM

I want one, guess I'll have to look at the spreadsheet to see what I can do without.:jumper::jumper::jumper::jumper::jumper:

SteveM 02-14-2017 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Olle (Post 298787)
but the mag would be a huge deal breaker to me.

I doubt this will be like the Bren10 10mm fiasco since these mags are being made in house.

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 07:13 PM

Baby Luger 45 Option
 
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Other options a 45 ACP BABY Luger
6 shot, 3 inch barrel
This one I am doing for myself

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 07:14 PM

They can be added to second batch .. or if i get some feedback, we can make a separate batch of them...

They are smaller then P08 in overall size

LugerMan.com 02-14-2017 07:17 PM

GT ordered one from second batch ...

I got his permission to share ... ;0)


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