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alanint 11-26-2016 04:38 AM

Weimar Unit Mark?
 
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Commercial DWM marked "R G 10b" on the side of the receiver.
Any ideas?

Norme 11-26-2016 07:57 AM

Hi Doug,
If genuine that is a rare and very desirable 1908 Commercial that was issued to the Reich Gendarmerie. This was the colonial police force (an army of occupation actually) that Germany deployed in Alsace Lorraine prior to the end of WW1, when that disputed region was returned to France.
Regards, Norm

Don M 12-08-2016 10:52 AM

May we know the serial number?

alanint 12-11-2016 06:56 AM

I'll try to get it. This comes from a third party trying to figure out the Unit mark,

sheepherder 12-11-2016 09:33 AM

What is that mark on the side of the chamber??? :confused:

kurusu 12-11-2016 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 296457)
What is that mark on the side of the chamber??? :confused:

Looks like two digits, but I'm not sure.
Have you tried your enhanced pictures magic yet?.

sheepherder 12-11-2016 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kurusu (Post 296458)
Looks like two digits, but I'm not sure.
Have you tried your enhanced pictures magic yet?.

My Ouija board??? :D

Maybe a sunburst??? :rolleyes:

JTD 12-11-2016 10:54 AM

Horizontal c/n

sheepherder 12-11-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JTD (Post 296460)
Horizontal c/n

Outstanding! Show us the enhanced picture you determined that from! :thumbup:

I always marvel at you camera guys! I can't even take a selfie! :p

George Anderson 12-11-2016 02:38 PM

The "R.G.10b" indicates that it would have to be a horizontal crown/N.

sheepherder 12-11-2016 03:04 PM

So you're not actually examining the picture? You're assuming that it must be a lazy C/N because that's what it should be...

I was hoping you had some neat trick of sharpening the image, or enlarging the picture, or deepening the shadow effect to enhance the stamp... I just learned this last Summer how to eliminate the 'barrel' effect in macro pictures...There's a lot more effects I would like to learn... :thumbup:

kurusu 12-11-2016 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 296462)

I can't even take a selfie! :p

That makes two of us. :D

DonVoigt 12-11-2016 04:54 PM

I think that is probably a blessing- no selfie's that is! ;)

JTD 12-11-2016 06:35 PM

Actually I made it out from a glance at the posted picture, and knew what it should have been on that model as Geo stated.

Dwight Gruber 12-12-2016 12:23 PM

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A very difficult original for starters, and kind of a quick hack job, but here you go...

--Dwght

sheepherder 12-12-2016 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber (Post 296528)
A very difficult original for starters, and kind of a quick hack job, but here you go...

--Dwght

OK. By negatizing Dwight's pic, I can sort of make out the C/N...

Is there another number underneath the C/N???

DonVoigt 12-12-2016 02:40 PM

I'd agree it is a horizontal something; but I would not swear in a court of law it is a C/N- but helping to know it should be one makes it easier to see. ;)

Dwight Gruber 12-12-2016 04:43 PM

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It is undoubtedly a c/N, as expected, with no extra markings (compare with the attached photo).

If there was a serious question, and I wanted to get all up in your forensic about it, the first thing I would do is ask for anther picture.

--Dwight

Norme 12-12-2016 05:05 PM

I'm a little surprised that there should be so much discussion about the lazy C/N proof, present on all Commercial Lugers of the period, and none about the Reich Gendarmerie marking which makes this fine pistol so rare and valuable. Unlike any other unit markings these were engraved by hand (not stamped or pantographed) at the DWM factory, prior to bluing. According to Still, total production of these R.G. marked Lugers, both 1908 and 1914 models, was less than 400 pieces.
Regards, Norm

Don M 12-12-2016 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme (Post 296549)
I'm a little surprised that there should be so much discussion about the lazy C/N proof, present on all Commercial Lugers of the period, and none about the Reich Gendarmerie marking which makes this fine pistol so rare and valuable. Unlike any other unit markings these were engraved by hand (not stamped or pantographed) at the DWM factory, prior to bluing. According to Still, total production of these R.G. marked Lugers, both 1908 and 1914 models, was less than 400 pieces.
Regards, Norm

A lot more information about the Reichs-Gendarmeie and examples of these markings can be found in Chapter 18 of HWIS. For example, the b designates mounted police.

kurusu 12-13-2016 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme (Post 296549)
I'm a little surprised that there should be so much discussion about the lazy C/N proof, present on all Commercial Lugers of the period, and none about the Reich Gendarmerie marking which makes this fine pistol so rare and valuable. Unlike any other unit markings these were engraved by hand (not stamped or pantographed) at the DWM factory, prior to bluing. According to Still, total production of these R.G. marked Lugers, both 1908 and 1914 models, was less than 400 pieces.
Regards, Norm

I, for one was caught completly off guard on this one. Must have read about it and long forgotten (not likely to find one of those in my neck of the woods) had to go dig the info about it.
So, I thank you for keeping us sharp, :thumbup:


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