Luger ID; 1466 (1918 top engraging)
 

Hello,

My father left 2 Luger pistols after his death. Thank you for any direction on identifying these is greatly appreciated.

Not pictured, Luger with 34325.

Thank you,
Scott

Welcome,

We can't help you much with such minimal information.
Please read the stickys at the beginning of the forum on "how to identify my luger".
You will need more, and close up pictures.

There is a date on the top of the chamber that I can't make out. The receiver appears to have DWM acceptance and proofing.

Looks like a nice WW1 DWM gun with original finish. Bad news is that the magazine is not correct to that gun, but the good news is that it is for a Navy model and is one rare bird.
The other gun is probably a commercial model.
More photos and info. on both guns will get you info. about them.
dju

title says 1918 - assume by lack of erfurt, that it has a DWM toggle

as said above, words, lots of words and pictures

welcome to the forum

Thank you all for the advice. Brings back memories of my dad. I was just mentioning the one, with details, so to get one done at a time so photos wouldn't be mixed up or confusing. :surr:

Not really sure what to say about them other than they are 9mm (as far as I'm aware). I probably had the wrong clip in the pervious photos. We have fired them, but it been about a decade since. So, from what I know they do function. Again, not positive about the caliber.

Mauser(?) Luger marked with 34325. Post to follow with remaining photos of this model. Then will post about other Luger. Give me about 15 minutes for the other one.

Additional photos of 34325

Hi Scott,
Welcome to the forum! The Navy magazine (the one with the concentric rings on it's base) interests me. Could you post a photo showing it's numbers and markings? It could be of some value to an owner of a matching number Navy Luger.
Thanks, Norm

Luger 1466 marked (following post will have remaining photos)

1466 continued

Not really my area, but 34325 appears to me to be a commercial model of 1906, made for export to the USA market, referred to as an American Eagle model. Most likely NOT 9mm, but .30 Luger.
Both guns appear to be unmolested originals, and very nice pieces.
Congratulations, and welcome to the forum.
dju

Thank you all! I look forward to find out more. Everyone have a great Thanksgiving. Be well. - Scott

Sorry. I missed the question about the clip. Here you go. Says "2214" on the wood.

@Norme, I posted photos of the magazine you were asking about. Missed your message before. Thanks.

Hi Scott,
Thanks for posting the magazine photos. Unfortunately there are no known Navy Lugers out there numbered 2214, several close though.
Regards, Norm

Thank you Norm. Wonder if the one my father had was a fake then. Mainly now, I'm worried about the magazines these 2 pistols have. Might suggest some faking or alterations.

I believe the 1819 is faked on the 1466 (because the 1819's I've seen are stamped 1819, where this one is engraved). Still waiting for someone to try and ID that one.

Thus far, I understand that:
34325: 1903 American Eagle 0.3 (763mm?)
1466: WW1 DWM

Any suggestion for a title for these so I can sell on GunBroker would be very helpful. I don't want to price them wrong but also want to honor my father by not letting them go for too cheap. Planning to invest that money into my son's continuing education.

I don't know enough about Lugers (obviously, since I'm posting to a Luger forum as a new memeber) to know what other information would be needed to ID these.

Thank you,
Scott

I'm not so sure the number in the magazine base is 2214.

I think he has it right. If it was an 8 or a 3, the top would be smaller than the bottom. The lines are right for a 2. :thumbup:

@kurusu, Think you are right about that. Might be that the "4" is just scuff/scratch. Very hard to tell. Might just be 221. Scratches kind of look like an off set number. "4" or a "1". Thanks for helping me look at it more closely. I definitely need to look into getting a new glasses perspiration.

We have a rather useful FAQ available. Just download the PDF you'll find at the FAQ reference page.

You have two collectible Lugers. They look to be in very good condition. In your earlier post were you referring to "1918" rather than "1819"? I don't see anything wrong with the date stamp above the chamber from your pictures, but better sharp pictures with more detail might help with judging that better. Rather than being engraved, it might have been struck with a sharp new die. It might also have been touched up by an engraver at some point.

The "RC" revisions commission (rework) mark is rather unusual on DWM made Lugers. This is generally seen on Erfurt manufactured Lugers.

The "c" is part of the gun's serial number, and a suffix letter.

@mrerick. Thank you for the direction. I'll find the PDF and take a look. Yes on the "1918". My bad. Sorry for the mistake. I got a touch of dyslexia, especially when it comes to numbers.

Blowing my mind how many different models and such. A bit overwhelming for someone that is ignorant of Lugers.

Your mention of the unusual mark is concerning to me. Just hope they weren't put together with replacement parts in the past. I definitely don't want to try and sell it only to find out they are faked in some way.

If I were to sell these, what should I title each of them for listing? If that is too much to ask, with the information supplied, I understand. Again, I'll find that PDF you mentioned.

Cheers,
Scott

WOW @mrerick! Did you make that document? IMPRESSIVE!

Yes. My doubts were about the first 2. But your enhancement made me reconsider. :thumbup:

The FAQ is a compilation of knowledge from all contributors here at the forum. I edit it for the forum, and have contributed some info also.

You have an "American Eagle Luger" in the M1906 pattern. I believe it's in 7.65mm Luger caliber. You also have a 1918 dated DWM P.08 Luger in 9mm Luger caliber.

They both look to be in original finish and if all matching should be listed that way.

I'm not a Navy expert, but I think that the note about the existence of sn 2214 refers to a list Norm keeps of known Lugers currently in collector's hands. Your Navy magazine is more rare than a normal military magazine.

It is possible that someone would be quite happy to trade a proper original DWM magazine very close to your serial number and in good condition plus cash for your magazine.

Thank you very, very much Eric. Not sure how I'd figure this stuff out on my own. That document is EXTENSIVE. Wowza....

Thank you for the IDing of them! I truly appreciate your time and effort. I'll send some good karma your way.

I figure I can get an idea about pricing from GunBroker. Seem to remember the pricing being around $750-$1,200. As for the Navy magazine, would you suggest a retail price? For a original DWM?

Thanks for letting me pick your brain. Again, I do think I would be lost, and would have ended up putting it back storage if you weren't helping me.

Lots be to be thankful for on Thanksgiving,
Scott

Hi Scott,
I sent you a PM (private message) yesterday. You can access it by clicking on "Private Messages" in the top right hand corner of the screen.
Regards, Norm