Army/Navy stocks
 

A while back someone listed the exact specs showing the difference between the Artillery and the Navy shoulder stocks. If you have this post handy, please point me in the right direction. Thank you, Hugh

Looks like someone needs to go to a re-education camp.

The Navy one floats, and the Army one doesn't.

Navy is shorter and has a medallion. Only legal on navy pistols...

I don't know for sure about medallions, but I know that they differ in size for about 2 centimetres.


Sergio

This is what I have been able to find out about the Navy shoulder stock:

This exemption applies only to the listed Naval
Luger pistols if mated to the Naval Luger stock and will not apply if
the Naval Luger pistol is mated to the Artillery stock. The Naval stock
has an overall dimension of 12-3/4", a rear width of 4-5/8",
a front width of 1-1/2", a rear thickness of 9/16", and a front
thickness of l-3/16".

Now if I can get the same information for the Artillery?

I don't have that information...But...I have seen some stocks with one and some with two attaching iron screws...???... :confused:

I have never seen a LP08 stock with only one screw. The early carbine stocks had only one screw and examples are pretty scarce.

I was hoping that was the difference between Navy & Artillery, but now that I actually think about it, it was carbine attaching iron that I was Searching for... ;)

Thankyouverymuch... :thumbup:

Hugh -

IIRC, Eric posted this some time back...There were dimensions posted too but I only saved the pic... :(

On the legal side of things with stocks. Saying that navy stocks are only legal on navy lugers. So if you have a navy luger with an artillery stock on it, are you considered illegal? And also with an artillery luger, if the stock does not match serial numbers and can not be proven to have been with the particular luger from the get go. Is this illegal as well.

I'm curious what makes a luger and stock legal when paired together?

Navy stock with Navy luger;
Art'y stock with Art'y luger;
not to be mixed up, i.e. mated with the other type stock/pistol.

Like to Like.

Each stock must be similar to the original in construction; in other words you can't just make a stock, or use a mauser or high power stock.

Numbers do not enter into it, some are and never were numbered.

Go to the ATF website and look up the approved curio and relic (C&R) list of firearms. It describes exactly what is "legal" and what isn't.

Yes I have gone through the ATF regs. and as far as I can tell it only tells you when and how shoulder stocks may be attached to Lugers. No mention is made to dimensions of either the Artillery or the Navy shoulder stock. If you buy a replica stock board, how do you know if it is legal without the dimensions?? It is only a matter of inches and you are in court defending your whole collection!

...And what if your artillery board stock had a crack in the attachment wood, and you shortened it to Navy length and re-cut it for the attaching iron...Is it now a Navy stock??? :confused:

If you also attached the metal disk and it was the proper Navy dimensions you would have a repo Navy shoulder stock. Right?

:confused:

In all honesty I don't know all the legal sides of things related with stocks in the USA, the only thing that I wonder is what's the point of having a repro stock with an original Artillery or Navy Luger?


Sergio

The ATF says you can shoot an artillery or navy with a shoulder stock as long as it is either an original or an exact reproduction but it has to be an artillery stock on an artillery Luger an a navy stock on a navy Luger, no stock on other Lugers. If they catch you with an incorrect mismatch it could put your whole collection in legal limbo. That's as bad asking the IRS for an audlt.

...And what if your artillery board stock had a crack in the attachment wood, and you shortened it to Navy length and re-cut it for the attaching iron...Is it now a Navy stock?

No..It cannot be done. Stocks are dished out for specific holsters. 6 inch for Navy and 8 inch for Artillery. You can modify either end but you will NEVER make one into the other. Yes, it can be very technical but the average G man doesn't know enough about the subject to even ask intelligent questions.

Pretty simple,
lots of folks can't afford an original, especially a Navy-
or don't want to.

I have both, the repro to use and the original to collect!:thumbup:

I agree with Don, Originals are fascinating to acquire and collect. I also keep several Odin Navy and Artillery stocks to shoot.

On the flip side: Don't expect an ATF agent to know the difference, and that could be a good or a bad thing. He could play badass and have you prove what kind of stock you're using, try to find out if your Artillery Luger is a build or if it came like that from the factory and so on, but I think most of them will just shrug and go on. I had a long discussion with the ATF agent when I got my FFL, and his attitude regarding the C&Rs in general was that they have bigger fish to fry. I showed him my Navy build, and his take on it was that nobody would use it for criminal activites anyway, so why bother?

Of course, there's no guarantee, but I think most ATF agents have so much to do with more serious gun crime that they wouldn't look twice at a Luger with any stock. Just my 2 cents.

While I agree with Olie that it's unlikely a random ATF agent would know or care, the real danger is if you somehow get on their radar for other reasons. At that point you are at risk of them having an NFA violation to beat you with. Also, bear in mind that if you possess either an Army or Navy stock (or exact replica) you better have a P.04 or lP.08, whichever is appropriate, to go with it. Under the law merely possessing the stock and the wrong Luger with a stock lug is illegal, you don't actually have to mount it. As long as you have the correct Luger for the stock you're ok, just don't use it with a different Luger.

Also. all Navy stocks don't have medallions. The early ones were shipped without them. Subsequently, when the Navy order the use of medallions, most of the early one were fitted with one. But, just as with the order to modify the safeties, some were never altered.