Another M1930
 

I already becoming a M1930 collector... accumulating an array of these in collection. Well, this variation was very well made -- I am very fancy on Mauser's marketing in M1930 manual "we're using the best steel in Europe making these guns" (not exact words)... so, attractive to me.

Just got another one. On picture, it's probably partially boosted by someone, but cannot tell for sure until holding it in hand. The stock looks healthy. Will know soon.

Wow, she's PURTY! 9mm or 7.63?

7.63mm.

I don't have a 8.15mm yet (rare). If it's 8.15mm, I win lottery :) A few were sold in auction in the past, but out of my reach. Just need to wait someone selling their 8.15mm as a 7.63mm. Not easy to find such a seller, but who knows...

But 7.63mm is OK too. I am fancy on 7.63mm caliber. It has very flat trajectory and excellent penetration.

8.15mm?! Never heard of it, did it perform better then the 7.63?

I heard of it, but I have never seen the cartridge. In DWM designation, there was an entry "DWM 580", which was a 8.15mm pistol cartridge.

Later, in post WWII era, some collectors found their M1930 caliber was slightly larger than regular 7.63mm. Via careful measurement, it's identified being 8.15mm. So, it's suspected there was small amount of M1930 being made by Mauser in this caliber for trial purpose.

Some big name collectors have that variation. Very rare item. The exterior appearance is just like regular M1930.

Alvin
I own a M30 too.
I think you're going to get really a fine one, congratulations!

Sergio

But do you have the Mauser 9mm "Export" variation yet??? :)

When you get the pistol, I can load you up some cartridges [9mm Win Mag brass]. ;)

9mm Export caliber C96 is scarce. I sold one to another collector two years ago. Talked to him over the phone. He also collects guns including Mauser. He's very happy to find one.

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12118671/

Alvin
Is this a picture of some 9mm Mauser Export ammo?
Gotta be rare! :eek:
Bob

Thanks. I definitely hope so. Crossing my fingers now hoping the other side is also good. Sometimes, everything is good except there is a deep scratch on the magazine floor really annoying... up to this fine condition, all those would count.

Will know when it arrives.

Maybe you should get one with THIS type of safety!

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/expe...james-d-julia/

I handled that gun in hand. Not only it's reblued, it's a parts gun. Still rare. I could not afford. If it's all original, I still could not afford,,,, I can buy 10 five-thousand-dollar guns over some years, but I cannot afford buying one single fifty-thousand-dollar gun. I mean, gun like this would create financial stress for my situation, too stressful to enjoy, then better let it go.

Of course, if I could buy one like this for $5k, I would happily do it. But I cannot find such a seller.

Christopher

Thanks for sharing that video, really a beautiful gun, unpractical, but absolutely beautiful.

Sergio

Sturgess had a few C96s for sale in that session. The gem was a 6-shot conehammer in March. I bet quite a few people hand checked that gun, and love it. So it went high. His collection is not totally gone yet, there will be more coming in October.

Another great buy from Sturgess was a 3-digit s/n 20-shot conehammer last year (former Visser collection). Price is also very good.

He had many nice & rare C96 pistols, but best of best, so far, are those two. The 3rd best one was a Turkish conehammer. Best condition, so it went high.

Alvin,

The Mauser factory never made the C96 pistol in caliber 8,15 mm - its a myth and those already reported are fake. Furthermore, nobody has ever seen an original 8,15 mm, so do not get all excited about this caliber and risk loosing plenty of money if someone offers you such a pistol.

Be ware,
Albert

Albert -- I feel there was a possibility of 8.15mm though. No factory record, I am sure. Just like "714", it never appears on sales record, probably just recorded as a "7,63 R" or "7,63". Never mass produced, the volume was too small. Same could be true for 8.15mm pistols.

Back some years ago, a collector had a theory on 8.15mm could be an effort in 1920s.. He suspected it's an effort to win Weimar government contract. This theory has a hole -- it's highly unlikely Mauser still trying to win German contract in post WWI era with a 30-year-old design. They would not waste time on that. But if Mauser wanted to keep its leading role in international pistol sale, that would be very understandable. I would feel it's a trial under pressure, an effort to make German made C96 having an edge above Spanish competitors on the market. Most known examples are M1930 style, 8.15mm would make some historical sense if putting in this context.

Both M1930 and Schellfeuer were products under pressure. It's very unusual to see a type of pistol experiencing major variation changes after 30 years in production. C96 was such an exception. Many things had been tried, could 8.15mm be one of those trials? Why not...

I have 1 model 1930 that is confirmed as a 8,15mm, very late serial. I also have an mismatched pistol ( upper /lower don't match) with the upper being a Mauser Banner over chamber that is also confirmed as a 8,15mm. The chamber casts were identical. The bores are both perfect and as far as I can determine completely uniform yet a .30 cal bullet( just the bullet) will slide down the bore...

Jerry

James Julia has an ex-Visser/ex-Sturgess 8.15mm M1930 -

RARE MAUSER C96 LATE M1930 COMMERCIAL, CALIBER 8.15MM

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/1282-369/

Price/bid/whatever today [06/12/2015] is $4,720.00...

Interestingly, they say the bore dia actually measures 8.3mm...

Interesting stamping on backstrap also... :D

Yeah. #918280 from Sturgess collection, 8.15mm M1930, is also a very late one. Regular C96 bore diameter was measured from land to land. I assume 8.15mm was also measured this way. Rifling depth is about 0.1mm, I guess their 8.3mm was measured from groove to groove.

Paid seller credit card, no extra charge on card. But they unexpectedly collect sales tax. Just waiting them shipping out now.

Alvin
Just noticed this C96 cone hammer in Gun broker.
Have never seen a C96 with the Luger American Eagle stamped on the side.
Is this legitimate?:confused:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=489119016
Bob

I would think it's legit. Putting crest on C96 was not a common practice for Mauser. But this raising area on the left side was obviously designed for crest stamp. Earlier Turkish had crest there... if saying there were also a few dealer samples with America Eagle, that's not too surprise. C96 was imported into America relatively late. From sample study, #2194 and #2364 timing sounds right, and they are close enough. The gun itself also looks legit.

This one, along with the one from Sturguess both look legit to me. Not sure this one's provenance. Current seller probably got it from Schroeder.

If seller could lower the price to $3500, I will stretch myself a little bit and buy it. Gun like this is special interest item, only dedicated C96 collectors will consider it.

It will arrive on Monday. Hope it's good. Cost me $1800. Better be good. Risk is final sale, no return.

Not news. But indeed earned a little bit money on this one. Of course, still takes years ahead to realize the profit. At this cost level, I am very willing to buy a few more :) Just need to find the sellers.

Dare to compare with the following gunbroker.com one, I would say mine is in a little bit better shape, 0.5% better? Condition is very close. No harness, but I can do lower, discounting that harness out.

vs this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=491710740

By Bolo is probably close to 8.15mm... Just give it a few more years. :D

I don't have a fixed goal at this moment. Some guns that I'm acquiring now cannot even compare with the ones that I sold in the past (from condition point of view), but they come very cheap, I cannot resist the lure :)

Back about 5 or 6 years ago, I saw one M1930 for sale and I told another guy "buy this one, you won't regret". He did it. It's still in his collection. It's in great shape except (1) no stock (he added an aftermarket stock & harness later); (2) a few nail punching signs on receiver. Otherwise, great one. $1200. Not easy to find at this price level these days though.

But he ran out of 7.63mm ammo, I asked him, "do you want to sell it? sell it to me" .. "no. not now".

Alvin, did they ever convert existing Broomhandles to .30 Luger?

I don't think so. I have never met one.

In 1920s, Chinese warlords picked Broomhandles for a few reasons: (1) Most Lugers for exporting in 1920s were .30 Luger caliber, the cartridge is weaker than 7.63mm; (2) Luger's major role was a self-defense pistol, Broomhandle was designed more towards combat pistol, almost all of them coming with shoulder stocks. There were already many self-defense pistols over there, from FN 1900 to Ruby, all cheaper than Luger. It's hard for DWM to compete with other European gun makers in the self-defense pistol domain. And Mauser did not have much competition until Spanish came, but Spanish gun makers production capacity was only a fraction of Mauser's; (3) Luger had higher cleaning and ammo quality requirement than Broomhandle.

So, I doubt neither factory nor major historical user ever converted Broomhandles to .30 Luger caliber. Of course, private practice in US is possible.

At some point I plan on aquiring a decent shooter grade bolo. 7.63 ammo is difficult to come by it seems, and I don't reload so....perhaps a conversion may be in order. I very much like the .30 Luger cartridge, I wonder what such a conversion would entail.

There was a few gunsmiths doing relining business. You may want to try this one:

http://www.redmansrifling.com/relining.htm

People had positive feedback on him. Sounds like he uses a special kind of glue to fix the liner inside. The charge is reasonable too. Back a week ago, there was a seller listing a reblued conehammer, I thought if it's around $1k, I would buy it to give redman a try to see how good his craftmanship is, why not, the bore is already a smooth bore and the gun was reblued. But the gun did not come. Not sure he does .30 Luger liner or not, but should be easy for him.