The stuff that dreams are made of...
 

http://jamesdjulia.com/373_shs/

Enjoy. It takes a while.

dju

I pulled up the auction, three lonely lugers out of a hundred ~~Eric

A little bit of everything, but most thing are out of my price range. Lugers to cannon Big game rifles and doubles to Machine guns and .22s...

As I always say there are far too many lovely guns in the world, and not that much money in the pockets...

Sergio

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I am with you! Lugers aren't their primary focus!! Maybe 4% http://jamesdjulia.com/373_shs/ Eric

If you only saw 3 Lugers, you didn't do your homework, Counselor.
dju

You are right!! How could I miss this!!

That standard C96 is beyond my understanding. The gun is mint. But it's a standard gun. Not supposed to carry 5-digit price yet. And, has Simpson's stamp on its butt... not supposed to drive bidders crazy.

Hopefully, my son can sell my standard C96 at this price in future :)

Julia auction is a little bit boring, everything is uniformly expensive. In contrast, gunbroker.com is much much more interesting. Good stuff could go low, and poor stuff could go high. Lots of surprises. Here is a reblued mixmaster Red 9, it goes $3225, bidders are competing for it !! Unexpected, huh? GB is like the wild west of late 19th century in numerous cowboy movies -- opportunity and challenge co-exist.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=467100457

It may be boring to you, but I'm fascinated by all the historical artifacts all on the same web site. Elmer Keith's collection of double rifles on GB.com?
dju

Never mind. My interest is very narrow. Those engraved rifles are pretty.

A little math~~~Assume my wining my gun sells for $10,000 what will I clear? What if I get a winning bid for $10,000 to buy, do I still have to pay the house?

Not sure the meaning of the question.

You mean, assume you list a gun in an auction, and you bid it yourself with intention to pump the price up, but over played the game, "won" it in auction?

That must be the worst case scenario. You have to pay both seller's fee and buyer's fee to get the gun back :) welll,,, unless there was a under table agreement...

But I suspect some auction house may play this game. Otherwise, it's hard to explain why a gun could have hammer price $40k unsold, but later sold via haggling at $37k. There could be other reason, but who knows.

Let's assume everything is straight forward, not complication. Your gun hammer price is $10k, you are the winner, you pay $11.5k to auction house (15% BP), auction house pays you $8.5k (assume 15% SP substracted) and gives the back to you. You still have the gun, but lost $3k. Two shipping cost is not counted,,, for $10k gun, insured shipping,,, $200.

No Thanks, I should have become an auctioneer!! What a racket!! Do you retain the right to cancel the sale for any reason within a specified time ie. Right of inspection? Eric

To cancel? No way. You won it, its yours. Assume it's a gun illegal in your state (e.g. a semi-auto assault rifle with certain features, that's illegal in quite a few places that I know. Or a dealer sample machine gun but you're not a SOT) -- is that a good reason to cancel? No. You still pay for it, but they can store the gun for you, help you selling it in next auction :) But, no cancel of payment.

Regarding inspection, supposedly, you should do inspection in preview. But I did hear some people successfully returned items back to auction houses. I really admire them.

So, don't bid your items yourself. Don't bid high unless you're sure about the condition. Know the local law before bidding, etc, etc. If won wrong items,,, that happens, it's just tuition, not end of the world.

Of course, if you can open an auction business, do it. It's a hot business these days.

Are you provided a written contract covering these issues? Are all auction houses the same like Rock Island Auction? Tks for setting the record straight!!!

Definitely. There is an agreement, usually printed on bidding form. Also on auctioneer's web site. Basicly saying you authorize them to charge your credit card, and if there is dispute, they are the judge.

Auction house usually is not a place to find great deal. But many collectors sell their lifetime collections via auction houses, so auctioneers do carry many nice items in each session. Some rare items seldom showing up in other places. Just like David previously mentioned, you won't find double rifles in GB. It's important for auctioneer to attract collector sellers. Have nice things to sell is very important for them.

I hope at the very least our members or visiters read this thread! I have purchased all of mine from fellow members and was always satisfied. We have got some great members like yourself! Thank You for setting the record straight!!! Eric

For Lugers, that probably works. But for C96, that does not work well. At this stage, we don't simply need a gun, we need rare gun in good shape at acceptable price. Obviously, not easy. There are members posting C96s for sale, but the items did not look very attractive... Well, they have not listed their good ones yet :) If there are attractive ones, I will buy.

You are like me~~Spoiled!!

Looks like they just started one up! https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/C96_Forum/info I would be relucant to join any forum run by anyone other then Jan or our backers! I just noticed it was formed in 2002 and has only 4 members!!

Yeah... Accompanying import from China in 1980s, a whole new generation of C96 collectors grew up. The focus was a little bit weird, people had endless amount of interest on how to reline/rebore/reblue those "beaters" year over year. More then 70% of C96 listed on GB are this category.

The particular one on this image looks like a Federal Ord 714. God knows based on what they coined this term. Does not matter. Fantastic anyway. It's not unlike post WWII Interarms Luger, but implemented in a crude way.

Some repro items were also imported. The situation is not unlike Luger either. For example:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=468520965

A few more lugers at Julia auction: http://jamesdjulia.com/?s=luger&post...meta_value=373

As for buying things from other members or collectors I haven't seen many 20 shot conehammers come up. It's what I'd be interested in adding to my collection. That and a Turkish contract piece. I saw the 20 that was parts of Sturgess' collection ( I thought that one sold last year?? - never mind it is a different piece) but very likely the price + bidder's fee will push it past what I'd like to pay. Jerry

The more I think, the more I feel I made the right decision to acquire Joe's 20CH. It's not in great shape, but the gun is original and matching, except three replacement parts: grip screw, magazine spring, and recoil spring. None of those are numbered, so not critical. Actually, reflecting the gun's overall condition well. I am happy that he did not sell it to other people under table.

If I tracked right, There 3 more original 20CH sold in the past 3-4 years publicly. Hermann-historica sold a Flatside 20CH, the condition is slightly less, price is comparable (Euro worth a lot at that time). A British auctioneer sold another Flatside 20CH in fine shape, with uncomfortable modified front sight. Sturgess sold an early one with a cut on stock last year. Each one has something less than ideal, but that seems to be reality. The latter two, of course, were more expensive.

A few other 20CH sold have more serious issue. Either totally refurbished, or having numbered parts replaced. etc.

Julia March has another 20CH, but it has too many issues even on a few photos.

RIAC April has a Flatside 20CH with matching stock, could be interesting. Looks like some surface rust has been lightly sanded off in the past. From preview photo, it's hard to tell how serious the damage was. Might be OK.

What are the issues with the 20 shot in the March auction Alvin? I read about the stock not matching and having a piece missing. I thought that I read that the grips are not matching either. The milled frame is more desirable to me although I thought the flat side 20 shot is less common; if the RIAC example is one of that series of 90 (?) identified that supposedly went to South America it's number being 91 just puts it outside that series. It also seemed to me that overall the RIAC example would be more desirable in part because I believe the stock matches and seems mostly intact.

I'd love to have a 20 shot before I kick the bucket but I doubt I'll have a lot of chances at one...

Jerry