Whats with the '9' on the grips on some artillerys?
 

I know it mean't 9mm but why them? They were all 9mm! https://www.tumblr.com/search/artillery%20luger

The Powell Device! http://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-...-ordnance.html

All military Lugers were 9mm, so why did some Lugers have "9" on grip. I guess it's also related with Mauser 7.63mm issued to German army in WWI. German army was a conscript army, not professional soldiers. When some people could mistakenly load 9mm into 7.63mm pistol, why couldn't a few wrongly load DWM 403 into Luger? The chamber would fit. Probably most knew Luger being 9mm, but when there were a few million of men, every type of people existed.

Is there a "9" on CC?

The Nicest Luger consficated!https://www.tumblr.com/search/p.08%20luger

Don't know other people's feeling. Personally, I dislike golden guns. Gold, when applied a little bit on gun, could be pretty. But when the whole gun is gold plated, it's really ugly IMO.

Mauser used gold on their presentation guns. Let's see their taste. I believe it's original, due to it's found in a Chinese museum, no s/n on the gun. And this external appearance is absolutely original.

Thank you for your input. I found this~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzqbJeDHK64

Another relevent site! http://www.chuckhawks.com/mauser_c96.htm

Hi:

Why not!

Sieger

Alvin, that hint of gold is tasteful and beautiful. Is that the Chinese dragon and English lion? I almost feel like I'm looking at the Hong Kong crest (though that surely isn't such a piece, I expect). That application of gold I think (due to its understated nature) says much more than the much more shiny pieces.

Michael

No. It's Mauser's logo. The provenance of the gun is unknown. But on the top of the gun, there is a line of engraved text in handsome writting Chinese "Waffenfabrik Mauser Respectfully Offered". Although not numbered, this variation was about s/n 40,000. Must be a gift gun to a senior Chinese official..

I found some luger with a 9 http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/luger-...-grips-319509/ Go past the discussions and at the bottom there a more examples~ Eric

Mauser Red 9 works with JHP ammo. I tried that. It's a little bit surprise. But JHP feeds without any issue. I fired 20 rounds JHP from a Weimar R9 without any issue. Have anyone tried that on Luger?

Knowing how the military sometimes works, it is concieveable that at some pont in time some fool got hold of some .30 Luger ammo and caused an issue of some sort.
They might have confused the length and stock with a carbine or a Borchardt.

A possible reponse is that somebody high up in the chain decided a good idea would be to mark pieces issued with a stock a red nine.
They are pretty rare. Just thinking late at night of some practices I have encountered.

I suppose we could have a contest and best guess wins something.

I think more likely, is that when they transitioned, early units were fitted with red nine grips. Then it became unnecessary with high production and only 9mm Lugers being issued. However as grips wore down or broke, they just pulled grips available and put them on the P-08s, including some marked with the red 9. So this artillery Luger has replacement grips.? Probably the same for Red 9 Broomhandle Mausers.

In 1917 9mm C96 pistols appeared on the front for the first time. The same year an Army directive was issued that every Infantry company be issued ten LP08s. The first 9mm Mausers were not marked "9" on the grips and one can imagine the confusion among units that already had 7.63 mm Mausers so an Army directive was issued to units in the field and Mauser instructing that the new 9mm long barreled Mausers be branded with a nine. At the same time thousands of artilleries were being issued to troops who were totally unfamiliar with them. It's all due to confusion in some units. ALL "Red Nine" artilleries were branded at the unit level whereas most Mausers were marked by Mauser. Virtually ALL Red Nine Artilleries are dated 1917.

The first 60K 9mm brooms were made at the Mauser factory WITHOUT the "Red Nine" marked grips. As stated above, due to the confusion with the 1915 military 7.63mm order, Mauser did make them later on with the large branded Red Nine. Many of the early ones were then marked by field armours with various size Red 9 markings, but be careful of fakes, particularly if both sides are not serialized inside to the pistol. Tom

Awesome!

A real mine of information on "brooms".

Gun price is rising. Red 9, it's genuine. But reblued. Nowadays, people are willing to pay about $1.7k on reblued gun for shooting fun. Seller, for unknown reason, still does not want to release it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=466939521

Another one, also reblued. Bookmarked to see how it goes. This one has no reserve, it will go.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=467100457

A short video on these cuties https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV9J2ceUeUk

Too bad here you can find very good Red Nine... BUT as usual they are all rechambred 9X21 IMI!!!!

Sergio :banghead:

Is 9x21 IMI more powerful than 9x19 Luger? or weaker?

This Red 9 has a little bit issue. The hammer and lock frame were polished silver bright by someone.

Technically, it is more powerful, as the case may be loaded to a greater capacity than standard 9MM. This again illustrates the inane logic of goverments worldwide. The citizens are prohibited from owning a "goverment" caliber, so lets approve a slightly stretched case for them to use.

Only 9x19mm has to be rebored, or everything has to be rebored, including 7.63x25mm ?

Sergio, What a pretty gun! which fires better a C96 or a luger? Which is more accurate? Which do you prefer? Eric

I believe, (if it is anything like similar laws I am aware of), that only calibers used by the local military must be altered. All others may stay the same.

Then, collecting 7.63mm pistols in this context. No question. For its original bore and for it being a genuine Mauser caliber from "purist" point of view. Personally, I love 7.63mm Mauser over Red 9.

But for Luger, still need to go 9mm though. 9mm is mainstream in Luger. No way to bypass that. I mean, cannot only collect 7.65mm, that's not representative.

History Channel To The Rescue~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJuKiMaCwU

Eric

Doug is correct, only calibers used by Army and Police get altered.

Until not many years ago even .45ACP was banned and the guns rechambered .45HP so the actual chamber reduced to 21mm, the problem is that when you find a beautiful WWI 1911 you might discover that is chambered 45HP (happed to me just last saturday)

I love the LUGER pistol, but C96 represents a bit of history too, couldn't tell which one I prefer.

Sergio

First, I am always impressed by yourselve and friends knowledge and respect for all the firearm Beauties. I must confess the Walther family is one of my favorite. I think that somet under estimate their importance, prestige and shere beautiful! They probobly produced more different fine models than any one! We are especially privaleged to be able to hold them in our hand~~Lets not forget James Bond! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...stol-A-History

007 opening sequence useing lugers and ppk'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-c8aAntWA like you never seen before!

Jame Bond, 'The Spy Who Loved Me' has both a luger and PPK in the opening credits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-c8aAntWA

Walter PPK is a smaller version of the Walter PP.
It's quite a cute little gun, widely used by German Police forces during WWII
Adolf Hitler shot himself with his PPK 7.65mm in his Führerbunkern in 1945.
I've seen some really nice ones recently, and not that expensive either, for instance the one enclosed Zella Mehlis costs about USD 1K
Somehow I've never managed to be interested in them (so far), I tend to prefer bigger handguns like 1911, Lugers and SIGs

Sergio

They managed to sneak a Beretta .25 Caliber into the sequence. Many people are not aware, but the Beretta was Bond's favorite gun until M MADE him switch to the PPK.

Sergio, Whats the story with the party leader edition. I noticed there were several thousand?? Are there any other super rare examples?? Thanks my Friend!!

Doug nothing gets by you! Is that the one with a hole in the trigger?

Berreta and Glock Awesome~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkS8u4QMvPA This one is for you!

Quite an interesting clip, (only one remark I wonder why they were showing guns so improperly held); anyway I love the Beretta that sometimes I use at the range, but since 1990 I've already owned and widely used at least a dozen different GLOCKs, at the moment I own a G17 Gen4 and a G19 Gen4.
For practical shooting instead I prefer the CZ SP01 SHADOW.

Sergio

Yeah. Cheap!! Back some days ago, a member posted an ad on a RZM PPK in the WTS column. I thought I would trade with a Mauser 1930 for it. But looks like the seller had no interest. Anyway, I need to find another nice one in future. The variation is scarce, but still showing up on regular basis. Not urgent.

Hole in the hammer, but yes.