Carbine
 

Guess who?

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps5ce1a9fd.png

Hemingway?

Kermit Roosevelt?

Lord Greystoke??? :D

Indiana Jones?

jed clampet in the old days before the move?

Michael Rockefeller ?

Juan Valdez

I don't know if others have noticed, but this carbine has an odd "L"-shaped metal (?) stock... :confused:

Eleanor Roosevelt.

Che Guevera?

I don't think it's an "odd stock", just a regular one. There's foliage in front of the stock that obscure it's view.

Curious George
 

The man with the yellow hat?

Agreed....it's a regular stock...I still think it's a picture of Kermit Roosevelt, taken during the River of Doubt expedition with his father Teddy in 1913.

Disagree. The hunter has their thumb hooked around the "L" of the butt...The "L" is upside down, with the long side on the bottom and the butt hooking upwards...Kind of an upside-down M3 wire buttstock... :)

Doesn't matter. Fun to fantasize...It might be Amelia Earhart... :roflmao:

BTW: There was a new expedition scheduled this month to that island in the Pacific where Earhart & Noonan are said to have landed...

http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/AEdescr.html

Not convinced, to unclear to see the hand position and there appears to be a straight line some 4 inches bellow the shoulder to the hand. Let's just agree do disagree. :D

Well Steve????? the answer???????

I lifted the pic from here http://video.pbs.org/video/2365313145/ @51:39

I assumed that it was a pic of Teddy since the documentary was about him and FDR but I suppose that it could have been Kermit.

I guess nukem556 gets the Kewpie Doll:cheers:

(It does look like a TR hat though)

Thanks Steve! But I'm pretty sure it's Kermit...he was tasked with securing fresh meat for the expedition, and I've read the carbine was his choice for small and medium game. The great Theodore was by 1913, quite a portly man, much heavier than the fellow in the picture. Kermit was the hero of the expedition, saving his fathers life by sheer determination after TR suffered malaria and a serious leg infection.

(As you can tell from my avatar, I'm very much an admirer of TR.....the picture is a very early example of Photoshop, a campaign photo faked to show Teddy riding a moose....I'm sure if he had encountered one up that close, he WOULD have tried to ride it!)

Agree. I guess you get the cigar. :D

If Amelia managed lo land should they not have found the remains of the Electra?

As a curiosty it was very recently found (last week?) one of the ships of the 1845 lost expedition of Sir John Franklin. They still don't know if it's H.M.S Terror or H.M.S. Erebus.

For further reading:
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin%27s_lost_expedition

They believe they have. The plane may have slipped off the reef it landed on and been swept to deep water. Expeditions are expensive, and TIGHAR is a non-profit foundation. This year's search has been re-scheduled. Not sure why, but there is a mention of a lawsuit that I am trying to find out more about.

If you read the reports listed on TIGHAR's site, you can get an idea of what they are doing.

Kind of like the search for the crew of the Lady Be Good. :)

If you're into well-written fiction, Dan Simmons wrote a great novel about the Franklin expediton entitled The Terror. Interesting info on conditons aboard an 19th century British navy ship, although the plot takes a somewhat supernatural bent.

I've been reading it on and off. But I'm still waiting for hard facts to surface.



There's only one crew member still missing. And they found the B24 first.

Well, I liked the Crook factory. :D

I watched the Lowell Thomas Special back in the 50's when it first aired. I also bought the book, which goes up as far as 1982. Quite interesting. I should check and see if anything more has been investigated, now that Qaddafi is gone. :)

There seems there is not much more or much left to investigate.

The saddest thing is that if the crew went South instead of North they would have had better chances of survival. They would eventually have found the plane which had water and food supplies even the radio was still operational when the plane was found 17 years after the crash.

That said, they had no way of knowing that their base was so far North that it was beyond their reach.

By the way. Any thoughts on flight 19?

From what I recall without re-researching, Taylor, the flight leader of Flight 19, was known for being weak in navigational skills, and had convinced himself that the flight was somewhere in the Gulf, west of Florida, and he was wandering to the north and east hoping to hit land. Actually, he was somewhere near Bermuda, and expended his flight's fuel, fate unknown. The weird thing is , 5 TBM Avengers were found on the ocean floor in that very area a few years back, and none of the serial numbers matched the lost flight, nor was there ever an explantion by the Navy how 5 similar planes came to be lost in the same area.

I remember years ago, when Spielbergs "Close Encounters of the First Kind" came out, the opening scene was of the 5 Avengers found in a desert, brought back by the aliens......gave me chills...:eek:

You can say that again.

The last chapter of the book details recovery of one complete engine from the wreck in 1968 and "dismantling it found fragments of a single 20mm cannon projectile. With the altitude and position of the flight path it could only have come from a head-on pass by an enemy night fighter, since there were no holes in the cowling." [From the book].

What is interesting is that the plane flew with a single crew for it's short wartime life, until that last mission. The original crew was forced to take another bomber, and therefore missed Lady Be Good's last flight.

Maybe the plane was bounced in a previous mission, the engine cowling replaced but the fragments where either missed in the repairs or considered unimportant.
Until the plane was removed from the crash site it was sort of a tourist attraction and it was much tampered with. My guess is there is not much left worth investigating.

That I didn't know. They were lucky, I would not wish the journey on that last flight to my worst enemy.

I have been interested on this subject since I watched the news about the exhumation of two sailors from the Franklin expedition back in the 80s, when I was a kid. Their corpses were incredibly well preserved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW_HjhO-cCY

Douglas.

We'll probably have to wait until next summer for further developments. The window to work in the area must be closing real fast.

Apparently The ship has been identified as H.M.S. Erebus.