Whazzit?
 

I think I have a Weimar Police holster. I'm sorry the inset isn't clearer, I tried to punch it up a bit. It is a 4-lobed crown over the Roman numeral II. Can any of you holster experts confirm what it is? Is it very common?




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Re: Whazzit?
 

Beautiful holster, by the way. The Crown over II is common and I see it often on late WW1 holsters dated 1918. Someone informally suggested it referred to some part of the German army such as Bavaria versus Saxony etc. but I have not seen a research reference to support a particular interpretation. Perhaps someone else knows exactly what it refers to.

Could it be a Crown over "F" ???
 

Here is Ron's image slightly enhanced and enlarged compared to a negative image...


Is it possible that it is an "F" as opposed to a Roman number 2?


Whatyouguys think?


regards,


John Sabato




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P.S. - really Nice Holster Ron! (EOM)
 

Nope
 

The marking is really very clear, just a lousy photo. It is definately II, the serifs on the II are joined. What appears to be the crossbar on an F is just a scratch. If you look a little closer and lower, you can see the rest of the scratch. I will experiment with the camera and try to get a better shot. It is a nice holster, but unfortunately the belt loops have been cut. The knife was sharp because they are clean cuts, but cuts none the less. I have heard that this was a common practice by GIs to remove the holster from the belt of a dead soldier. Anyone else hear of this?

Here ya go!!...better picture
 

When I learn how to use this camera, I'll be dangerous!




http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/CrownII.jpg

Here ya go!!....better picture
 

When I learn how to use this camera, I'll be dangerous!




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Better picture!! (EOM)
 

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Re: Nope
 

Ron,


I have not heard that, but some of the re-enactment folks in the Ft. Knox area have told me a lot of GI's would cut the loops off and then punch holes in the holster so that it could be attached to their pistol belt. (using the wire hanger that is on the GI hip holster to actually attach it to the pistol belt)


Take care, Joe

Re: Whazzit?
 

Ron,


I have a holster with a similar (although different)crown and Roman Numeral III underneath. This is the only stamp on the back. On the inside of the flap is stamped the makers name; Lieferungsgenossenschaft der Sattler, Nurnberg, 1918. Whew! I'm outa breath after typing that one!




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Re: Whazzit?
 

Ron,

I have a holster with a similar (although different) crown with a Roman Numeral III underneath. This is the only stamp on the back. On the inside of the flap is stamped the makers name; Lieferungsgenossenschaft der Sattler, Nurnberg, 1918. Whew! I'm outa breath after typing that one!




http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/crown.jpg

Re: Whazzit?
 

Ron,


I have a holster with a similar (although different)crown with a Roman Numeral III underneath. This is the only stamp on the back. On the inside of the flap is stamped the makers name; Lieferungsgenossenschaft der Sattler, Nurnberg, 1918. Whew! I'm outa breath after typing that one!




http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/crown.jpg

Re: Whazzit?
 

Ron,


I have a holster with a similar (but different), crown with a Roman numeral III underneath it stamped on the back. On the inside of the flap is stamped: Lieferungsgenossenschaft der Sattler, Nurnberg, 1918. Whew! I'm outa breath after typing that one.




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Re: Whazzit?
 

Here is a better picture of the marking on my holster. I tried to post this earlier but got an error message. Hope this one works!




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Re: Whazzit?
 

The mark is a property mark indicating that the holster was originally purchased by the Bavarian Second Corps. Hope this helps,


Tom

Thanks! Swift response!
 

I barely had time to hit "Enter" when your response came up!

Late war Imperial, NICE! (EOM)
 

Re: Whazzit?
 

Tom,

Does that mean that mine was purchased by the Bavarian third corps?

yes Ron, my Dad says that was pretty standard practice to cut loops
 

when you were in a "HURRY" because of intensity of the situation and didn't want to leave the Luger behind... WHen there was time, the operation was a little more delicate and resulted in a serviceable holster.


regards,


John Sabato

Re: Whazzit?
 

IIID Bavarian Corps; FWIW, Nurenberg was in Bavaria then; later it was part of Franconia when Germany did away with the monarchies post 1918.


Tom

Thanks, Tom (EOM)
 

Cut Loops
 

Also, the GI's could not get the holster onto their issued web gear so they, often, cut the loops and put two small cuts into the body...then, they inserted a standard wire loop and were able to hang it on their web belt.


Other wise, you had to carry the damn thing in a pack or stuffed into your shirt.


Orv Reichert

Re: Cut Loops
 

Orv,


The first Luger holster I saw with the Norwegian belt hanger was told to me (and sold to me!) as a GI conversion so it could be worn on their belt. At least I did not pay a high price for the holster, but as you buy, you learn.


marvin

Re: Cut Loops
 

At a gun show last year I came across a holster that had the loops cut off of it. The holes had been patched and new loops were sewn back on to it. The gentleman who was selling it explained that it was a common practice among soldiers who captured these to cut the loops and add the belt hanger to them. He was quite honest about it and was selling it for really cheap.

Sid.

Funny stuff...
 

from a realistic perspective, I know that when situations come to you, you jsut react. I am sure I wouldn't give a rats ... if I damaged the holster under fire or in a scary situation, I just wanted the pistol.


I'm sure we all remember throwing away some stupid box as a kid ofr a toy, now collectors would pay you hundreds of dollars for a box, not even caring if you had the toy, so some GI grabbing up a holster with a Luger in it, would just say, oh well.


Ed

Cut Loops
 

I own several that still have the wire web hanger still on it. Me, I consider it to be a real piece of history...not a butchered holster! But then, as my wife points out, I am a NUT!


Orv