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cirelaw 03-19-2014 08:07 PM

Hand Loading Ouch!!!!
 
This coming month I'm buying a shooter from George. I'm going to the range to lose my luger virginity. I just realized the hard part. I have ten magazines to fill as my loader doesn't work on mags there goes my thumb!! Any suggestion would be priceless! I tried with the key which I find impossible after the first five rounds!! I can't imagine doing this in muddy trenches! Any suggestions? ~~Sore Thumbs Eric

mrerick 03-19-2014 09:37 PM

I personally don't load more than five rounds when shooting my Luger....

I know that more will fit, but when on the bullseye range, I usually only load and fire five shots when practicing...

cirelaw 03-19-2014 09:41 PM

Brilliant, You can tell I'm new at this!!!! Debbie suggested useing the corner of a face cloth to protect your thumb!!It works great and no sore thumb!!

stressed 03-19-2014 09:45 PM

Wait, cirelaw you've been around since 2003 and are just getting a luger? Or you've only collected and never shot?

Curss 03-19-2014 10:04 PM

Mitchell arms made loading tools, similar to the original loading tools used in war time. I use one of these when loading magazines. You can still find them on ebay for 10-15 dollars. I picked one up at a gun store for $12. Otherwise...use gloves or your shirt.

cirelaw 03-19-2014 10:08 PM

Scott I own 15 to date. All are very nice. If something like a spring breaks and has to be replaced there goes my luger virginity! I've never fired any and with my accident prone, I wouldn't take any chance. So I asked George Anderson to sell one of his nice shooters! A damn good friend!! Thanks for asking! ~~~Eric

saab-bob 03-20-2014 01:20 AM

Chris
You have a Mitchell loading tool that works?:eek:
I have a chrome plated Mitchell loading tool and it was made without the little lip that holds the follower button.Worthless as a tool,but looks nice. :rolleyes:

Bob

Curss 03-20-2014 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by saab-bob (Post 252049)
Chris
You have a Mitchell loading tool that works?:eek:


Wow, thats crazy! :eek:

Yes, mine does have the lip on it! Its also nickel plated! Wonder why your's doesn't...did it break off?

stressed 03-20-2014 04:45 AM

MegGars and older aftermarkets are easy to load to 8 rounds. I suggest getting an aftermarket for shooting and keeping your original mags tucked away.

JTD 03-20-2014 06:33 AM

Eric, Neil Young makes a loader that looks nothing like the original skate key, but works fantastic!!! Made for use, not show. He may have an extra one for sale, I do not know for sure, but ask, and you will see.....
He gave me one at the SOS, and it is pretty slick!
The man is a master craftsman, John

Sergio Natali 03-20-2014 07:36 AM

Eric


Safe shooting!

Sergio

cirelaw 03-20-2014 09:41 AM

I think for now I'll stick to the face cloth. I have 12 mags that I can load at home. To you all I thank you as always for your input!!~Eric

John Sabato 03-20-2014 10:30 AM

JTD,

Please post a couple photos of Neil Young's loading tool! I am sure all would be interested to see one.

JTD 03-20-2014 12:37 PM

tonight I will try to get some pics posted. I do not know if he is even offering them for sale for sure. It is nothing fancy, but works great. John

John Sabato 03-20-2014 01:31 PM

Whether for sale or not, the design is what will intrigue most members here... so please do post photos.

cirelaw 03-20-2014 01:56 PM

Definitely~~~

rhuff 03-20-2014 03:18 PM

I purchased one of the cheap replica/aftermarket loading tools, and it "sort of worked". It kept slipping off of the mag button. When I checked it out, I found that the back side that goes against the mag, was no where near flat. I resurfaced the back side by rubbing it over a piece of emery paper(approx 220 grit) that was on a piece of flat glass.

This technique squared up the back surface of the tool, and now it works like a dream.

Like Marc, I only load 5 rounds in a mag, or a cylinder when I am at the range. That gives me a 5 shot group.

cirelaw 03-20-2014 04:36 PM

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I'm thankful I own 12 mags. At 5 loads each I will have 60 shots before reloading with my trusty face cloth!! My other alternative seems a little over board!~~Eric

Curss 03-20-2014 06:32 PM

I like the alternative!!! :D

Sieger 03-20-2014 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw (Post 252024)
This coming month I'm buying a shooter from George. I'm going to the range to lose my luger virginity. I just realized the hard part. I have ten magazines to fill as my loader doesn't work on mags there goes my thumb!! Any suggestion would be priceless! I tried with the key which I find impossible after the first five rounds!! I can't imagine doing this in muddy trenches! Any suggestions? ~~Sore Thumbs Eric

Hi,

Using the original Luger "key" loader is really quite easy.

Place the bottom of your magazine on a firm, but slightly padded surface. Usually your regular shooting bench will do, padded by a towel, or even a small piece of cardboard.

Then draw down the key, with the thumb of your writing hand, just enough for each individual cartridge you are loading to slip under the magazine lips. Proceed until all 8 are in.

The last few are a bit more challenging, but that's why you have the firm surface to give you some leverage. Don't be shy in applying adequate pressure.

I always shoot from a full 8 round magazine, as this was how the pistol was designed to shoot.

I hope this helps.


Sieger

cirelaw 03-20-2014 07:55 PM

Seiger no luck with your method. Holding mag in left and covered with a face cloth allows you to use your protected thumb to not only draw down but hold down next to no effort as you load with your free hand~ it really works and the only way for me!!! Try it!!!

JTD 03-20-2014 08:13 PM

neil's tool pics
 
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works great

lugerholsterrepair 03-21-2014 12:17 AM

Eric, Neil Young makes a loader that looks nothing like the original skate key, but works fantastic!!! Made for use, not show. He may have an extra one for sale, I do not know for sure, but ask, and you will see.....
He gave me one at the SOS, and it is pretty slick!
The man is a master craftsman, John

Fantastic! Yes..Neil is a fine craftsman..I didn't know he made these though!

ithacaartist 03-21-2014 01:21 AM

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John, there's a "lip" inside the hole for the follower, right?

Eric, this might just do the job for you!

Here's the one I made for the mags for my Erma KGP69, contoured to the side of the mag, it works great. (In NY State, we're not supposed to load a mag with more than seven rounds, unless at a range or competition.)

JTD 03-21-2014 05:55 AM

Yes, their is a lip inside the hole. Jerry, I wish you could have been present there this year. There was much good discussion. Virginia? John & Mike

Neil Young 03-21-2014 08:43 AM

Yeah Jerry, I found the regular loading tool not too comfortable to use, so I decided to try to make one that was easier on the thumb. I think it worked out okay. While I was set up, I made a few extras. I don't plan on making any more though.

Sieger 03-21-2014 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw (Post 252108)
Seiger no luck with your method. Holding mag in left and covered with a face cloth allows you to use your protected thumb to not only draw down but hold down next to no effort as you load with your free hand~ it really works and the only way for me!!! Try it!!!

Hi,

I can not load a full 8 rounds in a Luger magazine by holding it, freehand, in my left hand, while loading it, bullet by bullet with my right hand.

Different strokes for different folks, as they said in the 1970s, I guess.


Sieger

cirelaw 03-27-2014 10:28 AM

Perfection By Neil Young!
 
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Neil sent me his loading tool made specically for lugers. It fits like a glove. The beauty is its simplicity~ No problem filling an entire mag!! Won't slip off! My Hero TKS ~~Eric

John Sabato 03-27-2014 11:58 AM

:thumbup: way to go Neil!

cirelaw 03-27-2014 03:39 PM

Don't Buy The One On Midway!!
 
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Definitly A great way cool luger tool!! Years ago I purchased this worthless piece of## from Midway! Its still being sold today! Its not sized for luger and never was!! "Caveat Emptor" Buyer Beware!! Eric

cirelaw 05-02-2014 07:12 PM

This week I'm fireing my first luger that George sent me. I tried out the loader and it work perfect! I'll take some pictures. Tks to all for your generous support!~~Eric

ChrisLL 05-02-2014 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist (Post 252127)
John, there's a "lip" inside the hole for the follower, right?

Eric, this might just do the job for you!

Here's the one I made for the mags for my Erma KGP69, contoured to the side of the mag, it works great. (In NY State, we're not supposed to load a mag with more than seven rounds, unless at a range or competition.)

ithicaartist - what material is that made from? May try making one myself. I have one from a Bersa 380 that works fine, but it is the type that you push down, load one shell, lift up, slide shell back, repeat; not quite as convenient as the follower style.

cirelaw 05-02-2014 08:26 PM

I'm not sure what medal he use. Its solid maybe steel. We have to ask Neil my hero!!

ithacaartist 05-02-2014 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisLL (Post 254147)
ithicaartist - what material is that made from? May try making one myself...

Chris, It's plain ol' mild steel, mig welded curved handle, ground to fit the thumb comfortably and ground on the back side to match the contours of these mags. KGP 69 factory mags have a concave channel instead of straight flat sides, and the factory loading tool kept slipping off, mostly 'cause it's flat on the back side, with nothing to keep it lined up/oriented. Also, the originals have a simple hole punched in them for the follower button. Experience showed that a little bit of a lip, like the Luger loading tools, keeps it hooked on; so my creation has one. It is thinner than the Luger tool's lip because there's not as much clearance behind the Erma follower buttons. If you don't have a mill to offset the hole, thereby creating the "lip", just go at it with a carbide bit on a Dremel or Foredom.

The lovely fire-blue/blackened color came right out of the toaster oven, set on "toast" for 10-15 min.

George Anderson 05-02-2014 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw (Post 254144)
This week I'm fireing my first luger that George sent me. I tried out the loader and it work perfect! I'll take some pictures. Tks to all for your generous support!~~Eric

Eric, remember...first loading. Only two rounds!

cirelaw 05-02-2014 10:12 PM

Got it tks

ChrisLL 05-02-2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist (Post 254152)
Chris, It's plain ol' mild steel, mig welded curved handle, ground to fit the thumb comfortably and ground on the back side to match the contours of these mags. KGP 69 factory mags have a concave channel instead of straight flat sides, and the factory loading tool kept slipping off, mostly 'cause it's flat on the back side, with nothing to keep it lined up/oriented. Also, the originals have a simple hole punched in them for the follower button. Experience showed that a little bit of a lip, like the Luger loading tools, keeps it hooked on; so my creation has one. It is thinner than the Luger tool's lip because there's not as much clearance behind the Erma follower buttons. If you don't have a mill to offset the hole, thereby creating the "lip", just go at it with a carbide bit on a Dremel or Foredom.

The lovely fire-blue/blackened color came right out of the toaster oven, set on "toast" for 10-15 min.

I like it, looks like it works great and has a lot of character. Love the heat/coloring treatment! Good suggestion on the lip, I imagine that makes a big difference. Thanks.

cirelaw 05-02-2014 10:18 PM

Somebody has to go commercial. The one they sell is a cheap piece of crap!

John Sabato 05-06-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw (Post 254157)
Somebody has to go commercial. The one they sell is a cheap piece of ship!!!!

Eric, sometimes your unintentional misspellings are a blessing in disguise :cheers: :thumbup:

... I hate having to edit someone else's posts because they slipped and let a "bad" word get posted... :)

cirelaw 05-06-2014 11:37 AM

John I intentionaly typed "ship" in deference and respect to all and changed my post! It was still a rip off!~~~Eric


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