Norinco Luger at Simpsons
 

Under the new additions today on Simpsons, they've got one of supposedly only 2 Chinese Norinco Lugers known, for 1995.00.....one wonders if this might be a gun that will significantly increase in value, or just be seen as an oddity?

I'd heard they made a few up, but couldn't have been very many.

I would think too low of a number to go way up in price. But I would not mind having one - just not the best time to do so :)

Speaking of the new additions, I kind of like that nickeled P.08 too...but not at that price. I always thought it'd be fun to have a nickel-plated Luger shooter with ivory grips. (Does this make me a bad person??? :-D )

No, no Bill...it doesn't make you a bad person! Just one with really bad taste !

P.S....get rid of those Bee Gees disco albums :rockon:

I just couldnt muster myself to own one saying MADE IN CHINA on the side. Then again it would probably feed and eat the strongest ammo you could throw at it.

Cute! this is number 1002, 1001 resides in Belgium and I handled and photographed it for our book a few years ago. According to Norconia, the firm's representative in Germany, only 2 were made and one was supposedly damaged during tests.

I think every luger owner should have one :rockon:

Mauro
I see they gave you credit for your wonderful book!
Since the Chinese only made 2,they must have figured out even they couldn't make any money on a reproduction luger.
Bob

Too bad they didn't continue forward. Might make decent shooters if they went ahead with production. Did they also make a few C96 Mausers?

It's now listed as SOLD.

They can copy absolutely anything, and they can do it pretty well, long time ago I bought a Norinco 1911 second hand to say the least, it had been used and abused BUT did shoot really well.

I would also say that they sell a lot of their clones also because we seem to have lost our good taste for the "originals" ...

One day we' ll discover that they are reproducing even the Colosseum ... unfortunately :-(

Norinco's pistol always appears like a reblued one, even at NIB condition. Not only Luger, but also Tokarev -- even in new condition, it looks like ice-cream exposed in summer hot weather too long and starts melting. Some SKS also appears that way. I guess this Luger was made by a small factory in southern China (Norinco is just a trader, not a maker), sanded the gun surface heavily by hand before dumping into blue tank, so, with this appearance.

Those factories were built following Russian style, focusing on cost and basic function. If you tell them western commercial guns having better appearance, they would say, "well,,, they cannot build guns at my cost". Undeniably, that's an advantage. Regarding retail price $1995, of course, most of that $$ was not Norinco's profit. If it were so profitable for them, they would have continued making it.

I was kinda relieved to see it already sold....I was tempted! Granted, it has no German/Swiss pedigree, but if it is truly one of only two of a Luger variation known to exist, it should be a good investment.

It has not been marked "ON HOLD", so most likely it's still available. If like it, then buy it, IMO. In Luger context, relatively speaking, $2000 is not a huge number today. Any Luger with special points can easily priced above $2000. And, since it's listed by Simpson, they wouldn't lower the price every week, combined with supply being so limited, nowhere else to find such a piece. So, if like it, it's only $2000. Think this way: there are countless number of collectors having $2000 budget, but there are only two Norinco Lugers made.

No, the pistol is, and has been, marked sold, no changes.

Missed the marking at the bottom earlier. It did!! There are some people collecting Norinco. This is a special one.

I woulda bought the heck out of it
snooze and loose

Why Bother!

Don't understand "why bother"?

Way back when Norinco 1911A1 came out, I had the FFL (not any more), and I couldn't help myself, so I bought one BNIB. All I can tell you,......it's a GREAT 1911! Finish is "two tone", slide slabs are matt, the rest is shiny blue, with the barrel "in white". And in the last few decades that I own it, I did some heavy research on the piece (bought it in 1992).

Few American custom 1911 shops, prefer customizing Norincos. They report that the steel used for these is much better than most low end American 1911s (search and you shall find). Suposedly, the steel came from some railroad tracks that were pulled, and smelted. The pistol is made to EXACT 1911 tolerances, and most original Colt made parts will fit. Shoots great, and if I remember correctly, it was about $250 NIB from the distributor (CSI in Ontario, CA that doesn't exist anymore). I have less than 500 rounds through it, and it still looks like new. Came with cheesy plastic grip, which I threw away, and put a set of Pachs.

If that Luger was made by the same factory (as someone said before, Norinco has MANY production facilities under their name), and same quality control,......I'd be all over it.

It's a real pity that Norinco didn't make a new Luger in more useful quantities. It seems like someone had to have one (pity it wasn't me!).

As an aside: Seeing that crisp 'Made in China' on a Luger would amuse me as much as seeing the Chinese characters for 'Made in Germany' on a Broomhandle. Historical perspective should make us giggle a bit.

You are right, but C-96 were a German product, made in Germany and sold also to the Chinese market, so they had to write "Made in Germany" in ideograms.

Instead, being a bit of a purist, (I know I'm a bit boring too) it turns my guts to see a 1911 with "made in China" (or even in Switzerland, or Italy if you prefer) written on it!

:nono:

took me some time to find the gun but here is a link so you can sees the photos. seems crudely made. checkering is flat on knobs.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...552db664283ed9

Hi,

Is there any reason these didn't go into active production?

What happened to the machinery used to manufacture them?

Sieger

Simpson's sells the book. :)

They also sell just the CD separately. ;)

Who could buy a Norinco Luger made in 1990 for about 2k Dollars?
Maybe it's me, but I cannot really understand it.

A collector who wants every maker of a Luger. Or a Norinco collector looking for every model made. It was well worth the $2000. I would give that to resell for more.

Reguarding China
 

Is there anything sacred?

Yes.

And thanks very much for the notification.

--Dwight

I would agree with the more positive comments in this thread. As a historian of antiquity and a collector, I appreciate thoughts of some who do not see the point of 'non-genuine' things (though I question what 'non-genuine' or 'not pure' might mean) but different strokes for different folks. A Norinco Luger would have been interesting in mass production and thank you for telling us about it, nukem556. Had I the money then I would certainly have liked it in my own collection as a representation of the enduring fascination people have with the Luger. If Mauser and Norinco could have made an affordable product available even better. Alas, all we have is their aftermath.

Maybe one day, somebody will tool up and remake the P08 once more. I know if a company remade them I'd buy at least two, one to plink with and one for parts for my older guns.

Norinco P08 1002 has a new home

--Dwight

oh gosh, a member of the forum, who collects lugers - i found the thread a bit humorous from folks who were dogging out 'whomever' bought the Norinco and I knew all along.

I would love to have bought it - it is a unique item that was literally a prototype - those who don't like it because the Chinese made it, I suggest you look at the labels in your house ;)

I would not mind a 'side' collection of each manufacturer

Congratulations Dwight, you've got yourself a very rare and interesting Luger. Is that a million Yuan chip under the safety lever?
Best regards, Norm

Dwight, if you ever decide to shoot it, please include a range report. I would like to hear how a chinese Luger functions. And congrats! I am envious of your new edition!

Congrats Dwight. Thanks for sharing. A truely unique Luger pistol. And if you think about it, possibly the LAST P.08 ever manufactured, eh?

Good one Norme... :roflmao:

I wonder how interchangeable the parts are with German made Lugers?

Norme, "million Yuan chip", made me chuckle.

Curss, haven't decided if I will test fire it. It looks like it has been fired maybe once, and it is truly in 100% condition.

John, parts interchangeablity occurred to me, and it is certainly one of the first things I will check out. Also, I think the special edition Krieghoff probably holds the distinction of Last P08.

--Dwight

This one is much rarer than postwar Krieghoff. Those crazy Krieghoffs ... cost a lot.

Dwight , you sly dog!!! Congrats.....I'm looking on the bright side and seeing it as you saving me 2K, but I bet in 10 years or so, you may have the la$t laugh! :thumbup: