1914 DWM
 

I came across this nice P.08 DWM 1914 sn: 6091a. Böhler barrel (Bö.32).

Reg. Jes

It is much better to start a new thread, then tack on your posting on an older thread...
;)

Those halos just don't look right. It looks like the ol" blueing remover boost.

it does look a bit strange

I think they are ok, judging by the overall finish. They are just well pronounced halos to begin with, and highlighted by photography.

As I said on the other thread for this gun, too pronounced, too even/regular, too well-defined. The edges of them should fade away more gradually, and they just look too darned big. If they can be made to appear more "normal" with different lighting, I might be happier with them. I know that flash can cause some weird effects when photographing surface finish...

I lost the other thread, but IIRC it had a reference/pic of a Bohler Bo30 barrel as well as a Bo32...I believe these indicate different steel alloys, but I don't have a reference that lists the composition of Bohler-named steels. But they would respond differently.

Alloys are interesting. If you make and name a certain alloy and copyright the name, then anyone who markets their steel and uses your name has to pay you a royalty. CPM154, 530V, and BG-42 are all good examples (all used in knife blades). In England, Reynolds 531 is a common structural alloy for race cars. You can make the steel/alloy and even sell it, but not use another mfg's brandname. I actually buy my steel, aluminum, copper, and Delrin [there's another brandname!] from a Krupp subsidiary, and they are careful not to infringe on other makers brandnames...

...But I digress... :D

The Böhler number does not indicate a different alloy, it's the hardness number on the Böhler Scale, a proprietary system similar to the more familiar Rockwell Scale.
Regards, Norm

Thanks for the correction Norm! :thumbup:

I still think that the physical appearance would be different between the two, as regards to bluing and aging.

Böhler 32 is a very hard steel. How does the bore look?

These halos look funny to me also, but for some different reason -

Most people may not be aware of this, but there should be bluing down in the barrel stamping grooves. From the picture, it looks like the blue has been washed out, which is not normal for an original gun. You will probably need a loupe to see it.

I have several guns where the halos have sharp edges, but these look way too obvious and round. And they are around EVERY number on the barrel, which is not normally what I have observed on other guns.

I fear I have given away too much information already.

Perhaps a page or two in the upcoming 'Waffenfabrik Amerika: Handbuch für Mechaniker'... :D

Hello good forum friends first Happy New Year to you all!

And new photo without extra light, hope this is better.
I have no doubt there is bluing in the letters and numbers
The bore is, as rest of the gun, in fine condition.

Reg. Jes
(without 2/1 - 14)

Geo99:
"Most people may not be aware of this, but there should be bluing down in the barrel stamping grooves. From the picture, it looks like the blue has been washed out, which is not normal for an original gun. You will probably need a loupe to see it."

Are you referring to the bare metal in the right side of the "9"?
dju

Few more Photos with white Tush in the markings

I think he is saying there should be blue in and at the bottom of the little miniature "trench" made by the number punch.

The thing is it is near impossible to tell if halos are original or fake from internet pictures. Only a hands on exam will do.

This pistol looks to be 100% correct to me.

I agree

CJS57 & dju -
Yes I am saying if you compare the first picture (post #4) with the newer picture (post #12), the first one looks like there is no blue down in the "trenches" but the newer pic looks much better. After seeing the newer picture of the barrel numbers, I'm inclined to agree with the last 2 posts and say it looks OK to me too. But as you say, only a hands on examination will tell for certain.

It is interesting that the halos show up so well in the one picture, must have had the perfect angle to pick it up with the flash.

Geo99:
It is interesting that the halos show up so well in the one picture, must have had the perfect angle to pick it up with the flash.

All photos are taken without flash, but the photos in the first post was taken with an additional halogen lamp, so there is more light on these. Last Photos I had use "Makro" mode on the camera.
Hope that this gives the explanation for the different light conditions

CJS57
I think he is saying there should be blue in and at the bottom of the little miniature "trench" made by the number punch

Correkt!


Reg. Jes

Following the posts in this thread, I have a few questions
Are there only these 3 barrel stampings "Bö" "Bö.30" "Bö.32"?
Have you any idea about how many guns that have this stamping "Bö" Bö.30 "" Bö.32 ", out of the total production from DWM in 1913 and 1914?
Do you think that a gun with these stamping is a rarity and thus has a higher value than those who not have this stamping? (personally I see for example a regimental stamping as something really attractive)

I hope some of you will share your opinion about this barrel stamping

Reg. Jes

Jes -

Bö hardness barrel stamps are actually quite common on 1914 Lugers. I have seen a lot more of them with it than without the Bö stamp. The number typically shows up as between 24 to 32, with 32 being the hardest.

I think it is more scarce to see these stamps on a 1913.
I do not personally think it affects the value much if at all, but I do prefer to see 1914 Lugers with the stamp.

- Geo

I have also seen a K98K Steyr (bnz 41) with "200 40 Bö" on the barrel
Reg Sej-gun